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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    I've got family in Florida. They like their present state government.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      I've got family in Florida. They like their present state government.

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      @Jolly said in Register with the government if you want to write about government officials ...:

      I've got family in Florida. They like their present state government.

      Well let's hope they don't say so in writing without registering first.

      I was only joking

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        Unclear whether DeSantis supports this, but it would be a good fit with some of his other headline-grabbing moves. A recurring theme of his seems to be to use state power to control speech he doesn't like. It's surprising how few conservatives complain about it. Maybe not surprising, but disappointing.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Unclear whether DeSantis supports this, but it would be a good fit with some of his other headline-grabbing moves. A recurring theme of his seems to be to use state power to control speech he doesn't like. It's surprising how few conservatives complain about it. Maybe not surprising, but disappointing.

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          @jon-nyc said in Register with the government if you want to write about government officials ...:

          Unclear whether DeSantis supports this, but it would be a good fit with some of his other headline-grabbing moves. A recurring theme of his seems to be to use state power to control speech he doesn't like. It's surprising how few conservatives complain about it. Maybe not surprising, but disappointing.

          Yes those typical tribal conservatives, not complaining about an obscure bill they've never heard about. If only they could be so objective as to use that bill as an opportunity to criticize DeSantis, who is definitely not an a-priori bad guy because of his party affiliation and presidential aspirations.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Unclear whether DeSantis supports this, but it would be a good fit with some of his other headline-grabbing moves. A recurring theme of his seems to be to use state power to control speech he doesn't like. It's surprising how few conservatives complain about it. Maybe not surprising, but disappointing.

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            @jon-nyc said in Register with the government if you want to write about government officials ...:

            It's surprising how few conservatives complain about it.

            Or maybe they're complaining but their complaints aren't reaching the public. Or maybe not enough time has passed.

            My spidey says nothing will come of it. Though my spidey can be a dope sometimes.

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            • HoraceH Horace

              @jon-nyc said in Register with the government if you want to write about government officials ...:

              Unclear whether DeSantis supports this, but it would be a good fit with some of his other headline-grabbing moves. A recurring theme of his seems to be to use state power to control speech he doesn't like. It's surprising how few conservatives complain about it. Maybe not surprising, but disappointing.

              Yes those typical tribal conservatives, not complaining about an obscure bill they've never heard about. If only they could be so objective as to use that bill as an opportunity to criticize DeSantis, who is definitely not an a-priori bad guy because of his party affiliation and presidential aspirations.

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              jon-nyc
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              @Horace You missed the point - by definition the headline-grabbing moves are not obscure.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @Horace You missed the point - by definition the headline-grabbing moves are not obscure.

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                @jon-nyc said in Register with the government if you want to write about government officials ...:

                @Horace You missed the point - by definition the headline-grabbing moves are not obscure.

                Of course, my bad. Our principle-free conservatives were not complaining about a headline grabbing bill, they've never heard about. Not an obscure one.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  You still missed my point but it seems so willful and unnecessarily antagonistic I'm not sure it makes sense to try to explain it.

                  Maybe google "stop woke act"? "They've" all heard of it.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    You still missed my point but it seems so willful and unnecessarily antagonistic I'm not sure it makes sense to try to explain it.

                    Maybe google "stop woke act"? "They've" all heard of it.

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                    @jon-nyc said in Register with the government if you want to write about government officials ...:

                    You still missed my point but it seems so willful and unnecessarily antagonistic I'm not sure it makes sense to try to explain it.

                    I'm sure you had a subtle point that went over my head, in that post where you referenced a bill we've never discussed on this board before, lamented that conservatives never complained about it, and blamed DiSantis. I was not being antagonistic, but now maybe I should be, since you're being petulant.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      @jon-nyc said in Register with the government if you want to write about government officials ...:

                      You still missed my point but it seems so willful and unnecessarily antagonistic I'm not sure it makes sense to try to explain it.

                      I'm sure you had a subtle point that went over my head, in that post where you referenced a bill we've never discussed on this board before, lamented that conservatives never complained about it, and blamed DiSantis. I was not being antagonistic, but now maybe I should be, since you're being petulant.

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                      @Horace The point was not at all subtle, you're just being thick today. Read the post again, you're confusing the subject of the first clause with that of the second. "this bill" /= "his headline-grabbing moves". It's the latter that often follow a pattern, and about which few conservatives complain (though I could name a few, if you'd like).

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @Horace The point was not at all subtle, you're just being thick today. Read the post again, you're confusing the subject of the first clause with that of the second. "this bill" /= "his headline-grabbing moves". It's the latter that often follow a pattern, and about which few conservatives complain (though I could name a few, if you'd like).

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                        @jon-nyc said in Register with the government if you want to write about government officials ...:

                        @Horace The point was not at all subtle, you're just being thick today. Read the post again, you're confusing the subject of the first clause with that of the second. "this bill" /= "his headline-grabbing moves". It's the latter that often follow a pattern, and about which few conservatives complain (though I could name a few, if you'd like).

                        I see. You were using this thread about an obscure bill to complain about the woke act of DeSantis, and the lack of conservative complaints about it. A subject I don't recall discussing here, but maybe I missed something.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @jon-nyc said in Register with the government if you want to write about government officials ...:

                          @Horace The point was not at all subtle, you're just being thick today. Read the post again, you're confusing the subject of the first clause with that of the second. "this bill" /= "his headline-grabbing moves". It's the latter that often follow a pattern, and about which few conservatives complain (though I could name a few, if you'd like).

                          I see. You were using this thread about an obscure bill to complain about the woke act of DeSantis, and the lack of conservative complaints about it. A subject I don't recall discussing here, but maybe I missed something.

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                          @Horace No actually, I was complaining about a recurring theme of his (and Newsome, too, FWIW). The woke act is but an example that I thought of only when you were missing the point. There are other examples.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            @Horace No actually, I was complaining about a recurring theme of his (and Newsome, too, FWIW). The woke act is but an example that I thought of only when you were missing the point. There are other examples.

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                            @jon-nyc said in Register with the government if you want to write about government officials ...:

                            @Horace No actually, I was complaining about a recurring theme of his (and Newsome, too, FWIW). The woke act is but an example that I thought of only when you were missing the point. There are other examples.

                            Feel free to bring them up for discussion on this board as you please. Or complain about presumed principle-free tribalism, if you prefer.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              What is there to complain about? He overstepped by trying to extend it to cover private businesses. That part was smacked by the court appropriately enough, and we moved on. The system worked

                              I suppose you’re also referring to the whole Disney thing… You see that as punishing Disney, I see it as choosing to not continue to reward Disney…

                              The Brad

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                What is there to complain about? He overstepped by trying to extend it to cover private businesses. That part was smacked by the court appropriately enough, and we moved on. The system worked

                                I suppose you’re also referring to the whole Disney thing… You see that as punishing Disney, I see it as choosing to not continue to reward Disney…

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                                @LuFins-Dad

                                It’s clearly both.

                                But it’s moot - he walked it back. Because, yeah, that little township was going to be on the hook for 1B in debt or whatever it was.

                                But now has cronies on the board to make sure they stay in line politically if they ever want to do more construction.

                                The social media bill is yet another example.

                                I’m sure I could think of more.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @LuFins-Dad

                                  It’s clearly both.

                                  But it’s moot - he walked it back. Because, yeah, that little township was going to be on the hook for 1B in debt or whatever it was.

                                  But now has cronies on the board to make sure they stay in line politically if they ever want to do more construction.

                                  The social media bill is yet another example.

                                  I’m sure I could think of more.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Register with the government if you want to write about government officials ...:

                                  @LuFins-Dad

                                  It’s clearly both.

                                  It's not categorically bad for a politician to adjust legal, above-the-board sweetheart deals with industry, to be more in line with the will of the voters. If anything, sweetheart deals are categorically bad. At least I can imagine a case being made for that.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    It's not that much of a 'sweetheart' deal, any huge complex get them - MCO, for example. I believe there are close to 2k of these in the state, of varying sizes and scopes.

                                    But that's not even the point - as I'm sure would have been painfully clear to you when your dad took away your Nintendo. Punishment is a question of motive. In some families you can take the keys to the Porsche away from the teenager and make him take his grandma's civic to the party, and that will be an effective punishment.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      It's not that much of a 'sweetheart' deal, any huge complex get them - MCO, for example. I believe there are close to 2k of these in the state, of varying sizes and scopes.

                                      But that's not even the point - as I'm sure would have been painfully clear to you when your dad took away your Nintendo. Punishment is a question of motive. In some families you can take the keys to the Porsche away from the teenager and make him take his grandma's civic to the party, and that will be an effective punishment.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in Register with the government if you want to write about government officials ...:

                                      It's not that much of a 'sweetheart' deal, any huge complex get them - MCO, for example. I believe there are close to 2k of these in the state.

                                      But that's not even the point - as I'm sure would have been painfully clear to you when your dad took away your Nintendo. Punishment is a question of motive. In some families you can take the keys to the Porsche away from the teenager and make him take his grandma's civic to the party.

                                      Motives that are in line with the will of the voters are not categorically bad, even if they lead to a politician adjusting discretionary relationships with a private company in an above-board way.

                                      As a thought experiment, do you think an adjustment to government relations with a private company in CA which began openly advocating against abortion, or against gay marriage, would be wrong, in the same way you believe DeSantis was wrong?

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        Desantis won reelection by 19 points.

                                        That's doing something right.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          We don’t even need a hypothetical. Your former Governor wants to arrest doctors that spread “disinformation” on covid.

                                          As i said in the first post, Newsome, like DeSantis, likes to use state power to stop speech he doesn’t like.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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