5 days a week....
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"People managers" were just told we had to come in 5 days a week, increased from 3. My team only has to come in 3 days a week, so it makes absolutely no sense at all.
It's supposed to foster 'engagement', whatever that means.
They're not putting anything in writing, presumably because they're actually embarrassed by their decision.
So much for my lovely new home office which we've just finished. An extra 4 hours driving every week isn't quite what I'd planned...
Early retirement just got a lot more attractive.
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Would it be worth conveying your thoughts to management? Maybe others will also, and they will change their minds.
@Catseye3 said in 5 days a week....:
Would it be worth conveying your thoughts to management? Maybe others will also, and they will change their minds.
Both my immediate manager and his boss both feel the same way I do, but I suspect there may be some push back. We shall see - this decision came from on-high.
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@Horace said in 5 days a week....:
Sorry to hear this.
Let's hope they don't do the same to you - your commute would be horrendous. My 35 miles is bad enough.
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@Horace said in 5 days a week....:
Sorry to hear this.
Let's hope they don't do the same to you - your commute would be horrendous. My 35 miles is bad enough.
@Doctor-Phibes said in 5 days a week....:
@Horace said in 5 days a week....:
Sorry to hear this.
Let's hope they don't do the same to you - your commute would be horrendous. My 35 miles is bad enough.
Part of my full time remote employee paperwork was that I did not live near enough to an office to drive in. I guess they could build an office next to me, if they wanted to ruin my day.
This morning we were notified of some layoffs in my division. I'm glad they're doing that, rather than an unconscionable demand for coming into the office.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in 5 days a week....:
@Horace said in 5 days a week....:
Sorry to hear this.
Let's hope they don't do the same to you - your commute would be horrendous. My 35 miles is bad enough.
Part of my full time remote employee paperwork was that I did not live near enough to an office to drive in. I guess they could build an office next to me, if they wanted to ruin my day.
This morning we were notified of some layoffs in my division. I'm glad they're doing that, rather than an unconscionable demand for coming into the office.
@Horace said in 5 days a week....:
@Doctor-Phibes said in 5 days a week....:
@Horace said in 5 days a week....:
Sorry to hear this.
Let's hope they don't do the same to you - your commute would be horrendous. My 35 miles is bad enough.
Part of my full time remote employee paperwork was that I did not live near enough to an office to drive in. I guess they could build an office next to me, if they wanted to ruin my day.
This morning we were notified of some layoffs in my division. I'm glad they're doing that, rather than an unconscionable demand for coming into the office.
The annoying thing for us is that business is really booming - we just had two banner years. The fact that middle managers need to come in on Mondays and Fridays when nobody else will be here is just plain dumb. Unless of course they're building up to the next massively unpopular announcement.
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I may be in the minority here, but I do think that in person work is better than remote. Of course, that may not mean 5 days a week, but I also think that 100% remote is bad.
(Yes, yes, I know different job functions are different, but people are social creatures. I think you do lose mentorship, etc. or just connection if you are remote all the time.)
I have done a lot of flying and many times, the travel times was more than the time spent at location. But I think the in person connection was worth it.
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I may be in the minority here, but I do think that in person work is better than remote. Of course, that may not mean 5 days a week, but I also think that 100% remote is bad.
(Yes, yes, I know different job functions are different, but people are social creatures. I think you do lose mentorship, etc. or just connection if you are remote all the time.)
I have done a lot of flying and many times, the travel times was more than the time spent at location. But I think the in person connection was worth it.
@taiwan_girl said in 5 days a week....:
I think you do lose mentorship,
If I wanted to tank my career—I mean not just plateau but make my expertise completely atrophy—the best and fastest way to do that would be to take my employer up on mentorship opportunities. What. A. Fucking. Joke.
I've been working completely remote for about three years now. In that time, I have:
- Saved 1.74 months of my life and about $5,320 not sitting in traffic
- Dropped my blood pressure by 17/8 and my pulse by 20 bpm by exercising more
- Lost 18 lbs
- Spent about 460 more hours with my daughter
- Worked 186 more hours
If people want to work in an office or on a hybrid schedule, more power to 'em. But everyone who'd like to tell me what's best for me or tell me how lazy I've been can suck donkey dicks.
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I may be in the minority here, but I do think that in person work is better than remote. Of course, that may not mean 5 days a week, but I also think that 100% remote is bad.
(Yes, yes, I know different job functions are different, but people are social creatures. I think you do lose mentorship, etc. or just connection if you are remote all the time.)
I have done a lot of flying and many times, the travel times was more than the time spent at location. But I think the in person connection was worth it.
@taiwan_girl said in 5 days a week....:
I may be in the minority here, but I do think that in person work is better than remote. Of course, that may not mean 5 days a week, but I also think that 100% remote is bad.
(Yes, yes, I know different job functions are different, but people are social creatures. I think you do lose mentorship, etc. or just connection if you are remote all the time.)
I have done a lot of flying and many times, the travel times was more than the time spent at location. But I think the in person connection was worth it.
Not sure what it is about those who find great value in the office interactions, always assuming that same value exists for everybody else, if only everybody else would just realize and admit it.
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@taiwan_girl said in 5 days a week....:
I may be in the minority here, but I do think that in person work is better than remote. Of course, that may not mean 5 days a week, but I also think that 100% remote is bad.
(Yes, yes, I know different job functions are different, but people are social creatures. I think you do lose mentorship, etc. or just connection if you are remote all the time.)
I have done a lot of flying and many times, the travel times was more than the time spent at location. But I think the in person connection was worth it.
Not sure what it is about those who find great value in the office interactions, always assuming that same value exists for everybody else, if only everybody else would just realize and admit it.
@Horace said in 5 days a week....:
@taiwan_girl said in 5 days a week....:
I may be in the minority here, but I do think that in person work is better than remote. Of course, that may not mean 5 days a week, but I also think that 100% remote is bad.
(Yes, yes, I know different job functions are different, but people are social creatures. I think you do lose mentorship, etc. or just connection if you are remote all the time.)
I have done a lot of flying and many times, the travel times was more than the time spent at location. But I think the in person connection was worth it.
Not sure what it is about those who find great value in the office interactions, always assuming that same value exists for everybody else, if only everybody else would just realize and admit it.
You know what it is? We just haven't thought about as much as they have. We really should do that.
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@Horace said in 5 days a week....:
@taiwan_girl said in 5 days a week....:
I may be in the minority here, but I do think that in person work is better than remote. Of course, that may not mean 5 days a week, but I also think that 100% remote is bad.
(Yes, yes, I know different job functions are different, but people are social creatures. I think you do lose mentorship, etc. or just connection if you are remote all the time.)
I have done a lot of flying and many times, the travel times was more than the time spent at location. But I think the in person connection was worth it.
Not sure what it is about those who find great value in the office interactions, always assuming that same value exists for everybody else, if only everybody else would just realize and admit it.
You know what it is? We just haven't thought about as much as they have. We really should do that.
@Aqua-Letifer said in 5 days a week....:
@Horace said in 5 days a week....:
@taiwan_girl said in 5 days a week....:
I may be in the minority here, but I do think that in person work is better than remote. Of course, that may not mean 5 days a week, but I also think that 100% remote is bad.
(Yes, yes, I know different job functions are different, but people are social creatures. I think you do lose mentorship, etc. or just connection if you are remote all the time.)
I have done a lot of flying and many times, the travel times was more than the time spent at location. But I think the in person connection was worth it.
Not sure what it is about those who find great value in the office interactions, always assuming that same value exists for everybody else, if only everybody else would just realize and admit it.
You know what it is? We just haven't thought about as much as they have. We really should do that.
Lol
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I may be in the minority here, but I do think that in person work is better than remote. Of course, that may not mean 5 days a week, but I also think that 100% remote is bad.
(Yes, yes, I know different job functions are different, but people are social creatures. I think you do lose mentorship, etc. or just connection if you are remote all the time.)
I have done a lot of flying and many times, the travel times was more than the time spent at location. But I think the in person connection was worth it.
@taiwan_girl said in 5 days a week....:
I may be in the minority here, but I do think that in person work is better than remote. Of course, that may not mean 5 days a week, but I also think that 100% remote is bad.
(Yes, yes, I know different job functions are different, but people are social creatures. I think you do lose mentorship, etc. or just connection if you are remote all the time.)
I have done a lot of flying and many times, the travel times was more than the time spent at location. But I think the in person connection was worth it.
There is definitely a value to in-person reaction. I don't mind going in 2-3 days a week in the slightest. I've been told to go in 5 days to manage a team of 7, 6 of them work from home on Mondays and Fridays, and the other one works in the UK, so I see him in person maybe twice a year.
I'm sure we're not the only company doing this.
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@taiwan_girl said in 5 days a week....:
I may be in the minority here, but I do think that in person work is better than remote. Of course, that may not mean 5 days a week, but I also think that 100% remote is bad.
(Yes, yes, I know different job functions are different, but people are social creatures. I think you do lose mentorship, etc. or just connection if you are remote all the time.)
I have done a lot of flying and many times, the travel times was more than the time spent at location. But I think the in person connection was worth it.
There is definitely a value to in-person reaction. I don't mind going in 2-3 days a week in the slightest. I've been told to go in 5 days to manage a team of 7, 6 of them work from home on Mondays and Fridays, and the other one works in the UK, so I see him in person maybe twice a year.
I'm sure we're not the only company doing this.
@Doctor-Phibes said in 5 days a week....:
@taiwan_girl said in 5 days a week....:
I may be in the minority here, but I do think that in person work is better than remote. Of course, that may not mean 5 days a week, but I also think that 100% remote is bad.
(Yes, yes, I know different job functions are different, but people are social creatures. I think you do lose mentorship, etc. or just connection if you are remote all the time.)
I have done a lot of flying and many times, the travel times was more than the time spent at location. But I think the in person connection was worth it.
There is definitely a value to in-person reaction. I don't mind going in 2-3 days a week in the slightest. I've been told to go in 5 days to manage a team of 7, 6 of them work from home on Mondays and Fridays, and the other one works in the UK, so I see him in person maybe twice a year.
I'm sure we're not the only company doing this.
My team is very much like the 18 others under the same department: most of the workers are in different timezones. When they made it mandatory to go back into the office for those who lived near the office (about 13% of those 18 teams), they said it was because in-person communication was important and "nobody likes to talk to 2D people."
Which, nice, motherfucker.
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I'm looking forward to the next employee survey.
Because they really make a difference.
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I'm looking forward to the next employee survey.
Because they really make a difference.
@Doctor-Phibes said in 5 days a week....:
I'm looking forward to the next employee survey.
Because they really make a difference.
If you'd like to post some fecal deposits to an address via an unattached intermediary, I may know a guy.
I'm serious. He wouldn't even charge.
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"OpenAI CEO Sam Altman says the remote work ‘experiment’ was a mistake—and ‘it’s over’ "
"He isn’t alone in his assessment. Many CEOs have been demanding that remote employees spend more time in the office, among them Bob Iger at Disney, Howard Schultz at Starbucks, and Robert Thomson at News Corp. During the pandemic, remote work or a hybrid work schedule was the only option for many office workers—and many grew to prefer it to being in the office every workday."
