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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #146

    Guess where the Chinese bat virus wasn't found?

    In Chinese bats.

    But there’s one line in the MIT Technology Review article I want to focus upon for a moment: “But one year after the WHO’s visit to Wuhan, the disease detectives have yet to find the guilty animal or other indisputable evidence of natural origins.”

    The WHO team visit to Wuhan was in February 2021, so this means after two years of looking, and “tens of thousands” of samples, no one has found SARS-CoV-2 naturally occurring in animals in and around Wuhan, China.

    As noted earlier this week, SARS-CoV-2 is spreading like wildfire among American white-tailed deer. The CDC affirms “many mammals, including cats, dogs, bank voles, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, mink, pigs, rabbits, racoon dogs, tree shrews, and white-tailed deer can be infected with the virus.” Gorillas at the Dallas zoo, snow leopards at a Bloomington zoo, lions at the Akron Zoo, – you name the animal, there’s a good chance they’ve caught Covid-19. And of course, we know how contagious this virus is among human beings.

    So why is this virus so hard to find in Chinese bats? If this virus originated in a bat, and naturally evolved to maximize its ability to infect bats, and is genetically most similar to other viruses found in bats in China… why is SARS-CoV-2 proving impossible to find in bats in China? To modify Jon Stewart’s memorable metaphor, this is like finding chocolate everywhere except in the Hershey’s factory.

    There are three options:

    • SARS-CoV-2 was in at least one of the animals in the local wet markets, but by the time anyone started looking for it, all traces of it were gone – even though this is a really contagious virus. I’m hoping natural-origin theorists would at least concede that this is unexpected.
    • SARS-CoV-2 was in at least one of the animals in the local wet markets, and someone in an investigation did find it, but covered it up because they didn’t want to have to shut down the city’s wet markets. (For what it is worth, which is not much, this is the natural-origin scenario I find most likely.)
    • SARS-CoV-2 was never in any of the animals in the wet market, because it originated someplace else – like, say the giant repositories of novel bat coronavirus samples being used in research, including gain-of-function research, in one of the city’s multiple research labs.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #147

      Alex, I'll take Option 3.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #148

        Remember when the lab leak theory was all tin-foil-hat conspiracy stuff?

        Yeah...

        [Lab Leak Most Likely Origin of Covid-19 Pandemic, U.S. Agency Now Says](https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a?mod=hp_lead_pos1

        The U.S. Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak, according to a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress.

        The shift by the Energy Department, which previously was undecided on how the virus emerged, is noted in an update to a 2021 document by Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines’s office.

        The new report highlights how different parts of the intelligence community have arrived at disparate judgments about the pandemic’s origin. The Energy Department now joins the Federal Bureau of Investigation in saying the virus likely spread via a mishap at a Chinese laboratory. Four other agencies, along with a national intelligence panel, still judge that it was likely the result of a natural transmission, and two are undecided.

        The Energy Department’s conclusion is the result of new intelligence and is significant because the agency has considerable scientific expertise and oversees a network of U.S. national laboratories, some of which conduct advanced biological research.

        The Energy Department made its judgment with “low confidence,” according to people who have read the classified report.

        The FBI previously came to the conclusion that the pandemic was likely the result of a lab leak in 2021 with “moderate confidence” and still holds to this view.)

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
          LuFins DadL Offline
          LuFins Dad
          wrote on last edited by
          #149

          Why would the Department of Energy oversee biological research labs? And why would the Department of Energy have it’s own intelligence division?

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            Why would the Department of Energy oversee biological research labs? And why would the Department of Energy have it’s own intelligence division?

            jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #150

            @LuFins-Dad

            DoE is in charge of the nuclear stockpile. One can imagine intelligence functions around that.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #151

              Anybody who had ever worked in even a Level 2 Biohazard Lab and wasn't trying to cover their ass or not trying to lose Fed or Chinese dollars, knew where the Wuhan Flu came from.

              The only questions were:

              1. Was it intentional?
              2. If not, how?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • HoraceH Offline
                HoraceH Offline
                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #152

                If not for COVID, I'd still be living in CA and going into the office five days a week. What a nightmare.

                Education is extremely important.

                MikM 1 Reply Last reply
                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @LuFins-Dad

                  DoE is in charge of the nuclear stockpile. One can imagine intelligence functions around that.

                  LuFins DadL Offline
                  LuFins DadL Offline
                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #153

                  @jon-nyc said in Lab Leak?:

                  @LuFins-Dad

                  DoE is in charge of the nuclear stockpile. One can imagine intelligence functions around that.

                  Yep, I thought about that afterward, but still would have figured they would be working collaboratively with one of the Alphabet Agencies.

                  The Brad

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                  • HoraceH Horace

                    If not for COVID, I'd still be living in CA and going into the office five days a week. What a nightmare.

                    MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #154

                    @Horace said in Lab Leak?:

                    If not for COVID, I'd still be living in CA and going into the office five days a week. What a nightmare.

                    Lemons, meet lemonade.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #155

                      Didn’t Horace travel to China in October, 2019?

                      The Brad

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                      • MikM Mik

                        @Horace said in Lab Leak?:

                        If not for COVID, I'd still be living in CA and going into the office five days a week. What a nightmare.

                        Lemons, meet lemonade.

                        HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #156

                        @Mik said in Lab Leak?:

                        @Horace said in Lab Leak?:

                        If not for COVID, I'd still be living in CA and going into the office five days a week. What a nightmare.

                        Lemons, meet lemonade.

                        Part of my life coaching business is to ask my clients what the worst day of their lives was. They'll often refer to something horribly traumatic. Then I'll go back in my calendar and tell them something good that happened to me that day. Then, the healing begins.

                        Education is extremely important.

                        MikM 1 Reply Last reply
                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @Mik said in Lab Leak?:

                          @Horace said in Lab Leak?:

                          If not for COVID, I'd still be living in CA and going into the office five days a week. What a nightmare.

                          Lemons, meet lemonade.

                          Part of my life coaching business is to ask my clients what the worst day of their lives was. They'll often refer to something horribly traumatic. Then I'll go back in my calendar and tell them something good that happened to me that day. Then, the healing begins.

                          MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #157

                          @Horace you left out the reason for the healing was them whacking you with the desk lamp.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            @jon-nyc said in Lab Leak?:

                            @LuFins-Dad

                            DoE is in charge of the nuclear stockpile. One can imagine intelligence functions around that.

                            Yep, I thought about that afterward, but still would have figured they would be working collaboratively with one of the Alphabet Agencies.

                            jon-nycJ Online
                            jon-nycJ Online
                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #158

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Lab Leak?:

                            @jon-nyc said in Lab Leak?:

                            @LuFins-Dad

                            DoE is in charge of the nuclear stockpile. One can imagine intelligence functions around that.

                            Yep, I thought about that afterward, but still would have figured they would be working collaboratively with one of the Alphabet Agencies.

                            That seems to not be the case as a rule. Just like every agency has its own enforcement division.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • LuFins DadL Offline
                              LuFins DadL Offline
                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #159

                              Well, at least we can go back to eating bat sandwiches!

                              The Brad

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #160

                                FBI AgreesL

                                FBI Director Christopher Wray said Tuesday that the Covid pandemic was probably the result of a laboratory leak in China, providing the first public confirmation of the bureau’s classified judgment of how the virus that led to the deaths of nearly seven million people worldwide first emerged.

                                “The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan,” Mr. Wray told Fox News. “Here you are talking about a potential leak from a Chinese government-controlled lab.”

                                Mr. Wray added that the Chinese government has been trying to “thwart and obfuscate” the investigation that the Federal Bureau of Investigation, other parts of the U.S. government and foreign partners have been carrying out into the origin of the pandemic, but that the bureau’s work continues.

                                The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that the FBI had come to the conclusion with “moderate confidence” in 2021 that the Covid-19 pandemic was likely the result of an accidental lab leak and still holds to this view.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • JollyJ Offline
                                  JollyJ Offline
                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #161

                                  Okay...Why have they sat on this for so long?

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #162

                                    https://nypost.com/2023/03/05/new-emails-show-fauci-commissioned-paper-to-disprove-wuhan-lab-leak-theory/

                                    New emails uncovered by House Republicans probing the COVID-19 pandemic reveal the deceptive nature of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

                                    They show he “prompted” or commissioned — and had final approval on — a scientific paper written specifically in February 2020 to disprove the theory that the virus leaked from a lab in Wuhan, China.

                                    Eight weeks later, Fauci stood at a White House press conference alongside President Donald Trump and cited that paper as evidence that the lab leak theory was implausible while pretending it had nothing to do with him and he did not know the authors.

                                    “There was a study recently,” he told reporters on April 17, 2020, when asked if the virus could have come from a Chinese lab, “where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences … in bats as they evolve and the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.

                                    “So, the paper will be available. I don’t have the authors right now, but we can make it available to you.”

                                    Read the committee's report here.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      https://nypost.com/2023/03/05/new-emails-show-fauci-commissioned-paper-to-disprove-wuhan-lab-leak-theory/

                                      New emails uncovered by House Republicans probing the COVID-19 pandemic reveal the deceptive nature of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

                                      They show he “prompted” or commissioned — and had final approval on — a scientific paper written specifically in February 2020 to disprove the theory that the virus leaked from a lab in Wuhan, China.

                                      Eight weeks later, Fauci stood at a White House press conference alongside President Donald Trump and cited that paper as evidence that the lab leak theory was implausible while pretending it had nothing to do with him and he did not know the authors.

                                      “There was a study recently,” he told reporters on April 17, 2020, when asked if the virus could have come from a Chinese lab, “where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences … in bats as they evolve and the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.

                                      “So, the paper will be available. I don’t have the authors right now, but we can make it available to you.”

                                      Read the committee's report here.

                                      LuFins DadL Offline
                                      LuFins DadL Offline
                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #163

                                      @George-K said in Lab Leak?:

                                      https://nypost.com/2023/03/05/new-emails-show-fauci-commissioned-paper-to-disprove-wuhan-lab-leak-theory/

                                      New emails uncovered by House Republicans probing the COVID-19 pandemic reveal the deceptive nature of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

                                      They show he “prompted” or commissioned — and had final approval on — a scientific paper written specifically in February 2020 to disprove the theory that the virus leaked from a lab in Wuhan, China.

                                      Eight weeks later, Fauci stood at a White House press conference alongside President Donald Trump and cited that paper as evidence that the lab leak theory was implausible while pretending it had nothing to do with him and he did not know the authors.

                                      “There was a study recently,” he told reporters on April 17, 2020, when asked if the virus could have come from a Chinese lab, “where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences … in bats as they evolve and the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.

                                      “So, the paper will be available. I don’t have the authors right now, but we can make it available to you.”

                                      Read the committee's report here.

                                      Man, that story will be huge in three years when the legacy media acknowledges it…

                                      The Brad

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                                      • HoraceH Offline
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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #164

                                        It's almost like the "scientific expert" narrative is intentionally used to manipulate the credulous masses, making it difficult to decipher when and where real scientific experts come to real conclusions about anything having to do with politics.

                                        But those who question anything after a claim is made about a scientific conclusion, are still laughable idiots, just ask the left. Because people who believe what they're told to believe, are always the smart ones.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          https://nypost.com/2023/03/05/new-emails-show-fauci-commissioned-paper-to-disprove-wuhan-lab-leak-theory/

                                          New emails uncovered by House Republicans probing the COVID-19 pandemic reveal the deceptive nature of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

                                          They show he “prompted” or commissioned — and had final approval on — a scientific paper written specifically in February 2020 to disprove the theory that the virus leaked from a lab in Wuhan, China.

                                          Eight weeks later, Fauci stood at a White House press conference alongside President Donald Trump and cited that paper as evidence that the lab leak theory was implausible while pretending it had nothing to do with him and he did not know the authors.

                                          “There was a study recently,” he told reporters on April 17, 2020, when asked if the virus could have come from a Chinese lab, “where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences … in bats as they evolve and the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.

                                          “So, the paper will be available. I don’t have the authors right now, but we can make it available to you.”

                                          Read the committee's report here.

                                          jon-nycJ Online
                                          jon-nycJ Online
                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                          #165

                                          @George-K

                                          I wish they’d show us more than one half of a sentence with no context.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

                                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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