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H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline

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    blondie
    wrote on 21 Feb 2023, 23:17 last edited by
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    I want to see a study. That seems a pretty tiny dose. Having spent the first 2 yrs of my nursing career inside croup tents with little ones, also using nebulizers with kiddos, I remember simple saline doing a pretty good job all on its own loosening up secretions.

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    • D Doctor Phibes
      21 Feb 2023, 20:51

      @Jolly said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:

      You're shooting messengers with a closed mind.

      His first advice is to stay away from hospitals as they are killing patients.

      Seriously?

      Maybe we should do a study on that. Get a bunch of people with serious respiratory problems and allow half of them to go to a hospital and see how that works?

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      Jolly
      wrote on 21 Feb 2023, 23:18 last edited by
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      @Doctor-Phibes said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:

      @Jolly said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:

      You're shooting messengers with a closed mind.

      His first advice is to stay away from hospitals as they are killing patients.

      Seriously?

      Maybe we should do a study on that. Get a bunch of people with serious respiratory problems and allow half of them to go to a hospital and see how that works?

      Seriously, I don't give a rodent's rectum what he said about hospitals.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • J Jolly
        21 Feb 2023, 23:18

        @Doctor-Phibes said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:

        @Jolly said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:

        You're shooting messengers with a closed mind.

        His first advice is to stay away from hospitals as they are killing patients.

        Seriously?

        Maybe we should do a study on that. Get a bunch of people with serious respiratory problems and allow half of them to go to a hospital and see how that works?

        Seriously, I don't give a rodent's rectum what he said about hospitals.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 22 Feb 2023, 04:24 last edited by
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        @Jolly said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:

        @Doctor-Phibes said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:

        @Jolly said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:

        You're shooting messengers with a closed mind.

        His first advice is to stay away from hospitals as they are killing patients.

        Seriously?

        Maybe we should do a study on that. Get a bunch of people with serious respiratory problems and allow half of them to go to a hospital and see how that works?

        Seriously, I don't give a rodent's rectum what he said about hospitals.

        You work in one. You’re almost certainly in imminent danger of something or other

        I was only joking

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          Jolly
          wrote on 22 Feb 2023, 12:43 last edited by
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          Yep. Which is why I'd like to see a study.

          I'm old enough to remember the UV light rooms.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 22 Feb 2023, 12:49 last edited by
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            The good news is they'll also be protected from river blindness.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 22 Feb 2023, 12:55 last edited by
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              And thyroid cancer from nuclear fallout.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • B blondie
                21 Feb 2023, 23:17

                I want to see a study. That seems a pretty tiny dose. Having spent the first 2 yrs of my nursing career inside croup tents with little ones, also using nebulizers with kiddos, I remember simple saline doing a pretty good job all on its own loosening up secretions.

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                Jolly
                wrote on 22 Feb 2023, 13:05 last edited by
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                @blondie said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:

                I want to see a study. That seems a pretty tiny dose. Having spent the first 2 yrs of my nursing career inside croup tents with little ones, also using nebulizers with kiddos, I remember simple saline doing a pretty good job all on its own loosening up secretions.

                I understand the science. Saline to promote secretions at the mucosal level, trying to detach and expel the pathogen. Iodine works against bacteria, hydrogen peroxide does, too, along with being a pretty good viricide. Many dentists for years have advocated a very dilute H2O2 mouthwash and gargle, as a preventative.

                It's not just COVID. What if adherence to something this simple actually worked as a preventative?

                If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid.

                As I said, I'd like to see a good controlled study.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • J Jolly
                  22 Feb 2023, 13:05

                  @blondie said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:

                  I want to see a study. That seems a pretty tiny dose. Having spent the first 2 yrs of my nursing career inside croup tents with little ones, also using nebulizers with kiddos, I remember simple saline doing a pretty good job all on its own loosening up secretions.

                  I understand the science. Saline to promote secretions at the mucosal level, trying to detach and expel the pathogen. Iodine works against bacteria, hydrogen peroxide does, too, along with being a pretty good viricide. Many dentists for years have advocated a very dilute H2O2 mouthwash and gargle, as a preventative.

                  It's not just COVID. What if adherence to something this simple actually worked as a preventative?

                  If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid.

                  As I said, I'd like to see a good controlled study.

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                  blondie
                  wrote on 22 Feb 2023, 18:24 last edited by
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                  @Jolly we used to use H202 for years for wounds (it bubbles when staph/gram+ cocci are present, am I right?). It worked, I thought. Of recent though, my periodontist says, nope (& he’s urging saline over chlorohexidine for his surgeries). My nurse friends say nope for peroxide too. Apparently it’s excoriating to tissue & mucosa. So, yeah, I want to see a study, a virus study.

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                    blondie
                    wrote on 22 Feb 2023, 18:46 last edited by
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                    Ya know, I kinda remember not using peroxide on burn pts. wounds .. the excoriation. Same with flushing out trachs. I forget about what we cleaned trach sites with. But with flushing, I believe it was saline. Same with endotracheal tubes. George would know this .. I think there may have been some meds we’d squirt down there, bag down, then suck out. (Gah, I’m having flashbacks of what we’d have to do to these poor kids). I don’t have an opinion on iodine. To me that’s skin prep.

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                    • B blondie
                      22 Feb 2023, 18:24

                      @Jolly we used to use H202 for years for wounds (it bubbles when staph/gram+ cocci are present, am I right?). It worked, I thought. Of recent though, my periodontist says, nope (& he’s urging saline over chlorohexidine for his surgeries). My nurse friends say nope for peroxide too. Apparently it’s excoriating to tissue & mucosa. So, yeah, I want to see a study, a virus study.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 22 Feb 2023, 20:00 last edited by Jolly
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                      @blondie said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:

                      @Jolly we used to use H202 for years for wounds (it bubbles when staph/gram+ cocci are present, am I right?). It worked, I thought. Of recent though, my periodontist says, nope (& he’s urging saline over chlorohexidine for his surgeries). My nurse friends say nope for peroxide too. Apparently it’s excoriating to tissue & mucosa. So, yeah, I want to see a study, a virus study.

                      H2O2 is a catalase and bubbles from contact with blood in wound. It's pretty good for getting the blood stains out of lab coats.

                      But you're not completely wrong. We use a catalase test to differentiate between staph and strep, when working up a gram positive colony.

                      The hydrogen peroxide mouth wash is pretty dilute and some guys still recommend it for periodontal problems.

                      It's now not indicated for cleansing wounds. But between me and the gatepost, I'd use it it I didn't have access to soap and water.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        blondie
                        wrote on 22 Feb 2023, 21:53 last edited by
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                        Me too Jolly. Peroxide is awesome for blood and wounds.

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