H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline
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You're shooting messengers with a closed mind.
I don't know if this concoction works as a preventative or not. I would like to see a controlled study on it.
I've been around medicine long enough, I don't do a regal wave of the hand at anything. I've seen treatment protocols change drastically as one smal fact or another emerges.
I've also see stuff that docs did with concoctions or use of meds not normally used, that worked. Always remember, it is the art of medicine, not the science.
@Jolly said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
You're shooting messengers with a closed mind.
His first advice is to stay away from hospitals as they are killing patients.
Seriously?
Maybe we should do a study on that. Get a bunch of people with serious respiratory problems and allow half of them to go to a hospital and see how that works?
I was only joking
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NIH lists eucalyptus as an active ingredient in Vaporub.
Yes and it says so on the label.
As for heating it, people have been adding it to their vapourizers and steamers since back in the day it first hit the store shelves. I always do when I have cold. Have done so since childhood.
Also knew of an old Polish babushka who would eat a tblspoonful twice a day whenever she felt a cold or flu coming on. When she passed on well into her 90’s it had nothing to do with ingesting Vick’s.
I guess I don’t see your point.
@Renauda said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
NIH lists eucalyptus as an active ingredient in Vaporub.
Yes and it says so on the label.
As for heating it, people have been adding it to their vapourizers and steamers since back in the day it first hit the store shelves. I always do when I have cold. Have done so since childhood.
Also knew of an old Polish babushka who would eat a tblspoonful twice a day whenever she felt a cold or flu coming on. When she passed on well into her 90’s it had nothing to do with ingesting Vick’s.
I guess I don’t see your point.
You will at least think you feel better.
If you have an active ingredient, you have an agent that is actually doing something. In this case, you aren't just thinking, you actually do have some relief, albeit temporary.
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I want to see a study. That seems a pretty tiny dose. Having spent the first 2 yrs of my nursing career inside croup tents with little ones, also using nebulizers with kiddos, I remember simple saline doing a pretty good job all on its own loosening up secretions.
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@Jolly said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
You're shooting messengers with a closed mind.
His first advice is to stay away from hospitals as they are killing patients.
Seriously?
Maybe we should do a study on that. Get a bunch of people with serious respiratory problems and allow half of them to go to a hospital and see how that works?
@Doctor-Phibes said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
@Jolly said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
You're shooting messengers with a closed mind.
His first advice is to stay away from hospitals as they are killing patients.
Seriously?
Maybe we should do a study on that. Get a bunch of people with serious respiratory problems and allow half of them to go to a hospital and see how that works?
Seriously, I don't give a rodent's rectum what he said about hospitals.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
@Jolly said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
You're shooting messengers with a closed mind.
His first advice is to stay away from hospitals as they are killing patients.
Seriously?
Maybe we should do a study on that. Get a bunch of people with serious respiratory problems and allow half of them to go to a hospital and see how that works?
Seriously, I don't give a rodent's rectum what he said about hospitals.
@Jolly said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
@Doctor-Phibes said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
@Jolly said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
You're shooting messengers with a closed mind.
His first advice is to stay away from hospitals as they are killing patients.
Seriously?
Maybe we should do a study on that. Get a bunch of people with serious respiratory problems and allow half of them to go to a hospital and see how that works?
Seriously, I don't give a rodent's rectum what he said about hospitals.
You work in one. You’re almost certainly in imminent danger of something or other
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I want to see a study. That seems a pretty tiny dose. Having spent the first 2 yrs of my nursing career inside croup tents with little ones, also using nebulizers with kiddos, I remember simple saline doing a pretty good job all on its own loosening up secretions.
@blondie said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
I want to see a study. That seems a pretty tiny dose. Having spent the first 2 yrs of my nursing career inside croup tents with little ones, also using nebulizers with kiddos, I remember simple saline doing a pretty good job all on its own loosening up secretions.
I understand the science. Saline to promote secretions at the mucosal level, trying to detach and expel the pathogen. Iodine works against bacteria, hydrogen peroxide does, too, along with being a pretty good viricide. Many dentists for years have advocated a very dilute H2O2 mouthwash and gargle, as a preventative.
It's not just COVID. What if adherence to something this simple actually worked as a preventative?
If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid.
As I said, I'd like to see a good controlled study.
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@blondie said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
I want to see a study. That seems a pretty tiny dose. Having spent the first 2 yrs of my nursing career inside croup tents with little ones, also using nebulizers with kiddos, I remember simple saline doing a pretty good job all on its own loosening up secretions.
I understand the science. Saline to promote secretions at the mucosal level, trying to detach and expel the pathogen. Iodine works against bacteria, hydrogen peroxide does, too, along with being a pretty good viricide. Many dentists for years have advocated a very dilute H2O2 mouthwash and gargle, as a preventative.
It's not just COVID. What if adherence to something this simple actually worked as a preventative?
If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid.
As I said, I'd like to see a good controlled study.
@Jolly we used to use H202 for years for wounds (it bubbles when staph/gram+ cocci are present, am I right?). It worked, I thought. Of recent though, my periodontist says, nope (& he’s urging saline over chlorohexidine for his surgeries). My nurse friends say nope for peroxide too. Apparently it’s excoriating to tissue & mucosa. So, yeah, I want to see a study, a virus study.
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Ya know, I kinda remember not using peroxide on burn pts. wounds .. the excoriation. Same with flushing out trachs. I forget about what we cleaned trach sites with. But with flushing, I believe it was saline. Same with endotracheal tubes. George would know this .. I think there may have been some meds we’d squirt down there, bag down, then suck out. (Gah, I’m having flashbacks of what we’d have to do to these poor kids). I don’t have an opinion on iodine. To me that’s skin prep.
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@Jolly we used to use H202 for years for wounds (it bubbles when staph/gram+ cocci are present, am I right?). It worked, I thought. Of recent though, my periodontist says, nope (& he’s urging saline over chlorohexidine for his surgeries). My nurse friends say nope for peroxide too. Apparently it’s excoriating to tissue & mucosa. So, yeah, I want to see a study, a virus study.
@blondie said in H2O2 + Iodine + Normal Saline:
@Jolly we used to use H202 for years for wounds (it bubbles when staph/gram+ cocci are present, am I right?). It worked, I thought. Of recent though, my periodontist says, nope (& he’s urging saline over chlorohexidine for his surgeries). My nurse friends say nope for peroxide too. Apparently it’s excoriating to tissue & mucosa. So, yeah, I want to see a study, a virus study.
H2O2 is a catalase and bubbles from contact with blood in wound. It's pretty good for getting the blood stains out of lab coats.
But you're not completely wrong. We use a catalase test to differentiate between staph and strep, when working up a gram positive colony.
The hydrogen peroxide mouth wash is pretty dilute and some guys still recommend it for periodontal problems.
It's now not indicated for cleansing wounds. But between me and the gatepost, I'd use it it I didn't have access to soap and water.
