Medical School Snowflakes
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wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 12:16 last edited by
https://reason.com/2020/06/17/indiana-university-i-cant-breathe-medical-exam/
An assistant professor at Indiana University School of Medicine apologized after an exam question that used the phrasing "I can't breathe" drew complaints from some students who found it upsetting and insensitive in the wake of George Floyd's death under the knee of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin.
"We understand that the context in which this phrase was used resulted in a very painful trigger for many of you," wrote Daniel Corson-Knowles, an assistant professor of clinical medicine, in a message to his students.
Screenshots of the message, and of students discussing it in an online chat forum, were obtained by Reason. The College Fix also reported the incident.
The exam question was as follows: "A patient who missed dialysis suddenly becomes pale, diaphoretic, and screams, 'I can't breathe!' You glance at the monitor and notice the following rhythm. You are unable to palpate a pulse and initiate immediate CPR. The most appropriate next step in therapy is…"
According to Corson-Knowles, the question was written long before the phrase "I can't breathe" became associated with police violence or #BlackLivesMatter activism, and reflects "phrasing we might hear in a clinical setting from patients."
The professor apologized for not removing the question from the exam and vowed to review course materials for intrinsic bias, microaggressions, and other problematic or traumatizing content.
I am so tired of hearing "triggered."
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wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 12:22 last edited by
Blood, gore, despair, death...all okay.
But triggered by I can’t breathe.
Think of the tortured logic to get there, and you better understand it because that is where we are.
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wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 12:37 last edited by
This is medical school, supposedly attended by people with two or more brain cells.
We are doomed.
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wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 13:13 last edited by
If that triggers a med school student they need to find a new career path.
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wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 13:19 last edited by
In a clinical setting, it’s fair to expect that some patient under circumstances can actually utter the phrase “I can’t breathe”, so in that sense I figure it’s fair to use that phrase in a medical school exam question. I guess a rephrasing like “patient communicates that he/she is experiencing severe difficulty in breathing” may convey the same meaning, more words, but minus the emotional trigger. Wonder if, years from now, some future doctors may get triggered when hearing the “I can’t breathe” phrase in an actual clinical setting.
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wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 13:26 last edited by George K
In the old days, we used to have SOAP charting:
Subjective: What the patient says.
Objective: What you see.
Assessment: What you think is going on.
Plan: What you're going to do about it.S: "I can't breathe."
O: Patient is tachypneic and cyanotic
A: Respiratory distress.
P: Blood gas analysis, chest x-ray, oxygen therapy.And if you can't handle a patient saying that, you're in the wrong profession.
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In the old days, we used to have SOAP charting:
Subjective: What the patient says.
Objective: What you see.
Assessment: What you think is going on.
Plan: What you're going to do about it.S: "I can't breathe."
O: Patient is tachypneic and cyanotic
A: Respiratory distress.
P: Blood gas analysis, chest x-ray, oxygen therapy.And if you can't handle a patient saying that, you're in the wrong profession.
wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 13:38 last edited by@George-K said in Medical School Snowflakes:
In the old days, we used to have SOAP charting:
Subjective: What the patient says.
Objective: What you see.
Assessment: What you think is going on.
Plan: What you're going to do about it.S: "I can't breathe."
O: Patient is tachypneic and cyanotic
A: Respiratory distress.
P: Blood gas analysis, chest x-ray, oxygen therapy.And if you can't handle a patient saying that, you're in the wrong profession.
I find that too many of the new guys are in the wrong profession. They want medicine to be a 9-5 job, weekends and holidays off with no calls. And they want to make a ton of money doing it.
I think we need a major overhaul in our medical education, from cost, to degree inflation in nursing and ancillaries, to scope of practice.
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wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 13:40 last edited by
Jesus.
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In the old days, we used to have SOAP charting:
Subjective: What the patient says.
Objective: What you see.
Assessment: What you think is going on.
Plan: What you're going to do about it.S: "I can't breathe."
O: Patient is tachypneic and cyanotic
A: Respiratory distress.
P: Blood gas analysis, chest x-ray, oxygen therapy.And if you can't handle a patient saying that, you're in the wrong profession.
wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 13:41 last edited by Catseye3@George-K And if you can't handle a patient saying that, you're in the wrong profession.
Eh, it's newsish. Probably bigly less than a teensy drop in the bucket.
So y'all can relax. Unless you don't mind being mistaken for a Dem, whose belief system, we learned just this morning, is based much more on "feelings".
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wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 13:53 last edited by
The only way this trigger/snowflake movement ever stops is when it becomes uncool and no longer tolerated...by the media, by celebrities, by our government, by institutions. Unfortunately it's hard to see this happening given the constant fear of legal threats and public shaming on social media.
Again, I haven't and won't vote for Trump, but it makes me appreciate how he doesn't just roll over to this idiocy.
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wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 14:32 last edited by
Maybe the cops were triggered by “I can’t breathe” and froze.
I’ll set my Siri app to scream. “I am experiencing atypical esophageal mediation”
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wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 14:44 last edited by
I have started trying to interject "This conversation is making me uncomfortable" at least once during every meeting I attend. The moment that people take me seriously is the moment I'll need to find another job.
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wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 16:05 last edited by
@George-K said in Medical School Snowflakes:
Daniel Corson-Knowles, an assistant professor of clinical medicine
Is an idiot
A complete unmitigated idiot
He should be fired immediately
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Maybe the cops were triggered by “I can’t breathe” and froze.
I’ll set my Siri app to scream. “I am experiencing atypical esophageal mediation”
wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 19:05 last edited by@Loki Funny! LOL
But, it is pretty weird for the students not to expect a phrase like that in a medical setting!!
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In a clinical setting, it’s fair to expect that some patient under circumstances can actually utter the phrase “I can’t breathe”, so in that sense I figure it’s fair to use that phrase in a medical school exam question. I guess a rephrasing like “patient communicates that he/she is experiencing severe difficulty in breathing” may convey the same meaning, more words, but minus the emotional trigger. Wonder if, years from now, some future doctors may get triggered when hearing the “I can’t breathe” phrase in an actual clinical setting.
wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 19:52 last edited by@Axtremus said in Medical School Snowflakes:
In a clinical setting, it’s fair to expect that some patient under circumstances can actually utter the phrase “I can’t breathe”, so in that sense I figure it’s fair to use that phrase in a medical school exam question. I guess a rephrasing like “patient communicates that he/she is experiencing severe difficulty in breathing” may convey the same meaning, more words, but minus the emotional trigger. Wonder if, years from now, some future doctors may get triggered when hearing the “I can’t breathe” phrase in an actual clinical setting.
Here's a good example of the difference between a Lefty and a Righty.
The Lefty attempts to accommodate the stupidity.
The Righty tells them to grow the fuck up.
