Conservatives have a Millennial problem
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I would have thought the broader point is “household formation” is down, not just home ownership. People get more conservative when they marry, have kids, and buy property. All three of those are occurring at lower rates with that age cohort.
Hasn’t it been claimed that the millennials are the first generation not expected to do better than their parents on average? Not sure I believe that, but that could be part of it.
Or you might be right and it could just that lefties are better at marketing than righties.
@jon-nyc said in Conservatives have a Millennial problem:
I would have thought the broader point is “household formation” is down, not just home ownership. People get more conservative when they marry, have kids, and buy property. All three of those are occurring at lower rates with that age cohort.
Hasn’t it been claimed that the millennials are the first generation not expected to do better than their parents on average? Not sure I believe that, but that could be part of it.
Or you might be right and it could just that lefties are better at marketing than righties.
Leftist marketing surely got to the author of that thread. He wants to put conservative politicians on trial for their motivations and how much they care. Policy is all well and good, but if the motivations for those policies are impure, he's not behind it. Literally, a total ownership of an emotional thinking framework for choosing political sides.
But as I've often noted, a core motto of the indoctrinated leftist, is "I might be wrong, but at least my heart is in the right place". People live by that. And that's why people remain dumb.
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Maybe pick a conservative leader who isn't an utter and total douchebag?
Then you can blame leftist marketing if he isn't popular amongst younger folk.
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Indeed. Bring some respectable grown-ups to the party leadership, moderate conservatives even, to lead the GOP and you'll start to see the acceptance of "conservative" views become more acceptable in schools, colleges, and in media.
I was a pretty big GWB fan but understand he was not very popular with the younger crowd. Mix in 8 years of the popular Obama, and then 4+ years of Trump, and you basically have almost 25 years of conservatives that aren't popular with the younger crowd. Reagan fixed this after Carter, so I'd hope someone like DeSantis (or even more moderate) can fix this after the Carter-like era of Biden.
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Telling people they're too stupid to support somebody like Donald Trump, and that they really need to look beyond the fact that he's a complete and utter douchebag to see the strong policy decisions hiding underneath the awful orange façade is another great winning strategy.
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I put it very simply. Where there exists social value in party affiliation, and no demonstrable sacrifice, party affiliation is all but a foregone conclusion. How does that change? Demonstrable sacrifice. People need to feel like the policies they support with their kind, compassionate, and socially advantageous votes, are actually costing them. The party of compassion does not actually feel they make any sacrifice for their votes. This even comes through in that Twitter thread, where a common belief is wealth redistribution. Millenials who can't afford homes, are not thinking that that redistribution will be from themselves, towards others. They believe it will be from others, towards themselves.
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I put it very simply. Where there exists social value in party affiliation, and no demonstrable sacrifice, party affiliation is all but a foregone conclusion. How does that change? Demonstrable sacrifice. People need to feel like the policies they support with their kind, compassionate, and socially advantageous votes, are actually costing them. The party of compassion does not actually feel they make any sacrifice for their votes. This even comes through in that Twitter thread, where a common belief is wealth redistribution. Millenials who can't afford homes, are not thinking that that redistribution will be from themselves, towards others. They believe it will be from others, towards themselves.
@Horace said in Conservatives have a Millennial problem:
This even comes through in that Twitter thread, where a common belief is wealth redistribution. Millenials who can't afford homes, are not thinking that that redistribution will be from themselves, towards others. They believe it will be from others, towards themselves.
How do we explain the relatively poor, relatively uneducated white folk who voted for Trump in such large numbers?
You don't think they actually believed he cared about them, do you?
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@Horace said in Conservatives have a Millennial problem:
This even comes through in that Twitter thread, where a common belief is wealth redistribution. Millenials who can't afford homes, are not thinking that that redistribution will be from themselves, towards others. They believe it will be from others, towards themselves.
How do we explain the relatively poor, relatively uneducated white folk who voted for Trump in such large numbers?
You don't think they actually believed he cared about them, do you?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Conservatives have a Millennial problem:
@Horace said in Conservatives have a Millennial problem:
This even comes through in that Twitter thread, where a common belief is wealth redistribution. Millenials who can't afford homes, are not thinking that that redistribution will be from themselves, towards others. They believe it will be from others, towards themselves.
How do we explain the relatively poor, relatively uneducated white folk who voted for Trump in such large numbers?
You don't think they actually believed he cared about them, do you?
You don't have any idea why they voted for him? Trump rode the culture wars to the white house. He was their mouthpiece in those wars.
The twitter thread mentions a couple times that the millenials in question, are solidly on the other side of those wars.
Education is extremely important.
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I'd vote for Bill Maher in a heartbeat. You'd at least know what you were getting. It'd be a nice change of pace and you can't make any cogent argument that'd he'd be worse.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Conservatives have a Millennial problem:
@Horace said in Conservatives have a Millennial problem:
This even comes through in that Twitter thread, where a common belief is wealth redistribution. Millenials who can't afford homes, are not thinking that that redistribution will be from themselves, towards others. They believe it will be from others, towards themselves.
How do we explain the relatively poor, relatively uneducated white folk who voted for Trump in such large numbers?
You don't think they actually believed he cared about them, do you?
You don't have any idea why they voted for him? Trump rode the culture wars to the white house. He was their mouthpiece in those wars.
The twitter thread mentions a couple times that the millenials in question, are solidly on the other side of those wars.
@Horace said in Conservatives have a Millennial problem:
You don't think they actually believed he cared about them, do you?
I think they did, or many of them did.
You don't have any idea why they voted for him? Trump rode the culture wars to the white house. He was their mouthpiece in those wars.
Yes. Trump is/was a master salesman. He studied his market, probably for many years, and then went after them. And did it impeccably.
Hopefully, that will only work once.
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You can coherently consider a politician to be a product which does what you vote for it to do. The emotions the product feels while they do those things, or its alleged motivations for doing those things, is irrelevant. Which is a good thing, because politicians, to a person, do a lot of pretending about their feelings and motivations. Some pretend better than others. Add to that the psychological soup of whether they buy their own nonsense, and can seem and feel completely earnest as they pretend, and you get to a point where a rational person stops caring so much about whether a politician "cares".
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Owen Jones' article at The Guardian on millennials not getting more conservative as they age:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/04/right-millennials-vote-snowflakes-conservative
It speaks to the phenomenon pertaining to American and British millennials. It's central argument seems to blame it on the modem right wingers' spitefulness in rhetoric and in policy.
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Owen Jones' article at The Guardian on millennials not getting more conservative as they age:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/04/right-millennials-vote-snowflakes-conservative
It speaks to the phenomenon pertaining to American and British millennials. It's central argument seems to blame it on the modem right wingers' spitefulness in rhetoric and in policy.
@Axtremus said in Conservatives have a Millennial problem:
Owen Jones' article at The Guardian on millennials not getting more conservative as they age:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/04/right-millennials-vote-snowflakes-conservative
It speaks to the phenomenon pertaining to American and British millennials. It's central argument seems to blame it on the modem right wingers' spitefulness in rhetoric and in policy.
A fine example of a tribal polemic where all virtue lies with the author's political tribe, and all character flaw lies with the other tribe. These things are not difficult to write.
The fact will remain that people will vote for whichever party they believe benefits them the most. No millenial to whom that piece resonates, believes they could safely express sympathy for conservative politics, without damaging their social and even professional relationships.
