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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
    wrote on last edited by Horace
    #82

    A month-old video which illuminated some of the basics I hadn't been aware of.

    Link to video

    What strikes me is the extent to which this was a beta nerd takeover of billions of dollars due to a combination of family connections and blind faith in "geniuses".

    Maybe there is a good reason that many people have evolved with latent distrust of experts and authority. This shit gets out of hand pretty easily, and there really are no trustworthy gatekeepers. Even if the psychological mediocrities with the gift of faith in institutions they do not truly understand, will never get that.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by
      #83

      SBF agrees to extradition

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • George KG Offline
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        wrote on last edited by
        #84

        Extradited to the US.

        Released on $250 million bail. Apparently his parents are using their house as security for the bail. He is restricted to the house.

        Two questions.

        1. Two lawyers have a house worth $250 million?

        2. (seen on Twitter)
          How do you find a Bail Bondsman who can put up $250-million?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          Extradited to the US.

          Released on $250 million bail. Apparently his parents are using their house as security for the bail. He is restricted to the house.

          Two questions.

          1. Two lawyers have a house worth $250 million?

          2. (seen on Twitter)
            How do you find a Bail Bondsman who can put up $250-million?

          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
          #85

          @George-K said in SBF/FTX:

          Extradited to the US.

          1. Two lawyers have a house worth $250 million?

          That's more than a million more than mine cost. Of course, we only have one salary coming in.

          I was only joking

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          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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            wrote on last edited by
            #86

            I was surprised to read that the CEO and co-founder of the company plead guilty.

            Only about one month after things started to fall apart.

            In cases like this, a guilt plea only happens after many months (years) of bargaining, etc.

            https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahemerson/2022/12/21/ftx-alameda-gary-wang-and-caroline-ellison-plead-guilty-to-fraud/?sh=18eeac831866

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              wrote on last edited by
              #87

              Yeah but they clearly are rolling them to help prosecute SBF and others. So they’ll get some lenience in sentencing.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • George KG George K

                Extradited to the US.

                Released on $250 million bail. Apparently his parents are using their house as security for the bail. He is restricted to the house.

                Two questions.

                1. Two lawyers have a house worth $250 million?

                2. (seen on Twitter)
                  How do you find a Bail Bondsman who can put up $250-million?

                jon-nycJ Offline
                jon-nycJ Offline
                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                #88

                @George-K said in SBF/FTX:

                Extradited to the US.

                Released on $250 million bail. Apparently his parents are using their house as security for the bail. He is restricted to the house.

                Two questions.

                1. Two lawyers have a house worth $250 million?

                Wouldn’t need to be worth the whole amount, 10% is typical in ‘normal’ cases.

                1. (seen on Twitter)
                  How do you find a Bail Bondsman who can put up $250-million?

                I assume they did this in a very non-standard way, maybe some bespoke credit deal with a bank syndicate. But that’s just a guess.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @George-K said in SBF/FTX:

                  Extradited to the US.

                  Released on $250 million bail. Apparently his parents are using their house as security for the bail. He is restricted to the house.

                  Two questions.

                  1. Two lawyers have a house worth $250 million?

                  Wouldn’t need to be worth the whole amount, 10% is typical in ‘normal’ cases.

                  1. (seen on Twitter)
                    How do you find a Bail Bondsman who can put up $250-million?

                  I assume they did this in a very non-standard way, maybe some bespoke credit deal with a bank syndicate. But that’s just a guess.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #89

                  @jon-nyc said in SBF/FTX:

                  Wouldn’t need to be worth the whole amount, 10% is typical in ‘normal’ cases.

                  Yes, but if he skips, aren't they on the hook for the entire amount.

                  But, even if I'm wrong, a $25 million house?

                  I assume they did this in a very non-standard way, maybe some bespoke credit deal with a bank syndicate. But that’s just a guess.

                  Could be.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #90

                    Andy McCarthy's take on the bail - it's all for show.

                    The Biden Justice Department and the SDNY want you to know that this is a very serious case — an “epic” fraud, the prosecutors said in court today. So bail was agreed to at $250 million, so the Justice Department could say it is the highest bail amount in the history of federal prosecutions, maybe even the history of the universe.

                    But is it really? SBF did not have to put up $250 million in collateral. The only thing that appears to be posted is his parents’ home in Palo Alto. I’m sure it is very nice, but rest assured it’s not anything remotely close to $250 million nice.

                    Other than that, the bond has to be co-signed by four “financially responsible people.” A financially responsible person is one who is reasonably trustworthy when it comes to paying his bills; financially responsible does not mean financially rich. There is no requirement in the bond that the FRPs demonstrate a capacity to pay $250 million if Sam goes on the lam.

                    The fact is, SBF has already been released. They let him go on a signature. He didn’t need to establish that, if he absconds, the government would have $250 million in cash or other assets on which to execute. DOJ likes being able to tell the media that SBF’s bail is “a quarter billion dollars.” But if an alleged criminal were really so terrible as to rate that kind of historically exorbitant bail amount, then the government wouldn’t release him on little more than a signature on a piece of paper. It would instead make him come up with lots and lots of property so that the government would have something close to the bond amount that it could quickly collect if he took off.

                    I am not saying that the crimes charged are unserious. SBF is obviously looking at scores of years in prison. But Bernie Madoff’s swindle dwarfed what SBF is charged with — about $50 billion, compared to about $2 billion. Yet, Madoff’s bail was $10 million, 1/25th of what the Biden Justice Department claims SBF’s bail is.

                    Clearly, it is true that anyone who signs the bond as a surety would be liable for the face amount of the bond. In theory, if SBF flees, the four co-signers, only one of whom must be nonfamily, would theoretically be on the hook for a quarter-bil. That doesn’t mean, though, that the sureties have that kind of money, or that the government has any realistic expectation of collecting such a sum.

                    In essence, the government took SBF’s passport and told him to stay with his parents. They told the world he was such a flight risk that he was forced to sign a bond for $250M . . . and then they released him — home for the holidays! — having posted no assets and having provided the government with no indication that the taxpayers can expect to see anything close to $250M if he flees.

                    I don’t believe he’ll flee, mind you. He’s probably tapped out, he doesn’t want to see his parents lose their home, and he doesn’t seem like the type who’d do well in the life of a fugitive. But the bail amount is meant to shape public opinion about the gravity of the case, that’s all.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #91

                      In fairness, he’s confined to the parents home and has an ankle bracelet. It’s not like he’s “a free man”.

                      This is interesting:

                      He also pointed out that Mr. Bankman-Fried had consented to extradition. Had he resisted the process, leading to a drawn-out legal fight, it was “a near certainty” the government would have opposed any pretrial release, Mr. Roos added.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #92

                        I also read that what's-her-name has decided to plead guilty and drop the dime cooperate.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #93

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #94

                            It was probably in the couch cushions.

                            FTX Says It Has Located More Than $5 Billion in Cash, Liquid Assets

                            Bankrupt cryptocurrency exchange FTX said it has located more than $5 billion in cash and other liquid assets and is hoping to sell hundreds of additional holdings with a book value of more than $4.6 billion.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #95

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #96

                                ⅓ of congress critters got money from FTX

                                More than one in three of the 535 senators and representatives in the U.S. Congress showed up to the new session with FTX baggage, having received campaign support from one of the senior executives of the fraud-ridden crypto giant.

                                CoinDesk has identified 196 members of the new Congress – many of whom were just sworn in last week – who took cash from Sam Bankman-Fried or other senior executives at FTX, a crypto exchange that filed for bankruptcy in Delaware in November after CoinDesk revealed unusually close ties between FTX and Alameda Research, an affiliated hedge fund. The names in Congress range from the heights of both chambers, including new Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), down to a list of recipients new to high-level politics.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  ⅓ of congress critters got money from FTX

                                  More than one in three of the 535 senators and representatives in the U.S. Congress showed up to the new session with FTX baggage, having received campaign support from one of the senior executives of the fraud-ridden crypto giant.

                                  CoinDesk has identified 196 members of the new Congress – many of whom were just sworn in last week – who took cash from Sam Bankman-Fried or other senior executives at FTX, a crypto exchange that filed for bankruptcy in Delaware in November after CoinDesk revealed unusually close ties between FTX and Alameda Research, an affiliated hedge fund. The names in Congress range from the heights of both chambers, including new Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), down to a list of recipients new to high-level politics.

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #97

                                  @George-K said in SBF/FTX:

                                  [⅓ of congress critters got money from FTX]

                                  Government of the monied and for the monied.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    ⅓ of congress critters got money from FTX

                                    More than one in three of the 535 senators and representatives in the U.S. Congress showed up to the new session with FTX baggage, having received campaign support from one of the senior executives of the fraud-ridden crypto giant.

                                    CoinDesk has identified 196 members of the new Congress – many of whom were just sworn in last week – who took cash from Sam Bankman-Fried or other senior executives at FTX, a crypto exchange that filed for bankruptcy in Delaware in November after CoinDesk revealed unusually close ties between FTX and Alameda Research, an affiliated hedge fund. The names in Congress range from the heights of both chambers, including new Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), down to a list of recipients new to high-level politics.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #98

                                    @George-K

                                    Remember too he said much of his contributions were dark.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • George KG George K

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                                      LuFins Dad
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                                      #99

                                      @George-K said in SBF/FTX:

                                      Heartland Resurgence does not appear to be a Republican Org that I can tell https://heartlandforward.org/research-publications/

                                      The Brad

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                                        LuFins Dad
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                                        #100

                                        And Collins? LOL….

                                        The Brad

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                                          #101

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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