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  • JollyJ Jolly

    Christians are nutters?

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    @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

    Christians are nutters?

    I'm not sure I'd really describe quite a few of the folks described in the article as being particularly Christian.

    YMMV, however I personally think religion and politics don't mix well.

    And if you don't think Margorie Taylor Greene is a nutter, then we're going to struggle to find much common ground.

    I was only joking

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    • MikM Away
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      Yep. Anyone calling themself the Christian Taliban and vowing to make The Handmaid's Tale a reality is a nutter.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Well, it is from Better Bull Crap, so they picked the more extreme elements to generate eyeballs.

        But the essential premise is correct...Christians are politically organizing to try to protect their rights and beliefs. Obama said America is not a Christian nation. I beg to differ. Much of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and basic law are based on many of the beliefs of Christianity and the Founders were Christian or at least were very familiar with the religion.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • MikM Away
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          On that we agree. I think Christians should protect their rights to live according to their beliefs.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            Well, it is from Better Bull Crap, so they picked the more extreme elements to generate eyeballs.

            But the essential premise is correct...Christians are politically organizing to try to protect their rights and beliefs. Obama said America is not a Christian nation. I beg to differ. Much of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and basic law are based on many of the beliefs of Christianity and the Founders were Christian or at least were very familiar with the religion.

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            @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

            Well, it is from Better Bull Crap, so they picked the more extreme elements to generate eyeballs.

            Sadly, not all British news organizations can stand up to the journalistic rigour of your usual go-to publication, The Daily Mail.

            I was only joking

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            • MikM Mik

              On that we agree. I think Christians should protect their rights to live according to their beliefs.

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              @Mik said in Those Scary Christians:

              I think Christians should protect their rights to live according to their beliefs.

              As should non-Christians.

              I was only joking

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Well, it is from Better Bull Crap, so they picked the more extreme elements to generate eyeballs.

                But the essential premise is correct...Christians are politically organizing to try to protect their rights and beliefs. Obama said America is not a Christian nation. I beg to differ. Much of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and basic law are based on many of the beliefs of Christianity and the Founders were Christian or at least were very familiar with the religion.

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                @Jolly

                Much of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and basic law are based on many of the beliefs of Christianity and the Founders were Christian or at least were very familiar with the religion.

                They were also very familiar with Greco-Roman philosophy, Renaissance Humanism and, for them, contemporary thinking of what we refer to as the Enlightenment. Several including Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Washington had no use for organized religion and referred to themselves Deists. They believed in the ability of human reason. Still others professed their faith through non Chalcedon compliant denominations such as Quakers and Unitarianism - both of which would not necessarily be considered Christian then or even now.

                I would argue therefore the US was founded on the principles of human reason as manifested during the 18 Century Enlightenment.

                Elbows up!

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  @Jolly

                  Much of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and basic law are based on many of the beliefs of Christianity and the Founders were Christian or at least were very familiar with the religion.

                  They were also very familiar with Greco-Roman philosophy, Renaissance Humanism and, for them, contemporary thinking of what we refer to as the Enlightenment. Several including Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Washington had no use for organized religion and referred to themselves Deists. They believed in the ability of human reason. Still others professed their faith through non Chalcedon compliant denominations such as Quakers and Unitarianism - both of which would not necessarily be considered Christian then or even now.

                  I would argue therefore the US was founded on the principles of human reason as manifested during the 18 Century Enlightenment.

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                  @Renauda said in Those Scary Christians:

                  I would argue therefore the US was founded on the principles of human reason as manifested during the 18 Century Enlightenment.

                  The contemporary re-writing of US history might agree with that, after a few more years of re-writing.

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                    @Renauda said in Those Scary Christians:

                    I would argue therefore the US was founded on the principles of human reason as manifested during the 18 Century Enlightenment.

                    The contemporary re-writing of US history might agree with that, after a few more years of re-writing.

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                    @Copper

                    As is almost always, you’re probably right.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                      Well, it is from Better Bull Crap, so they picked the more extreme elements to generate eyeballs.

                      Sadly, not all British news organizations can stand up to the journalistic rigour of your usual go-to publication, The Daily Mail.

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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Those Scary Christians:

                      @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                      Well, it is from Better Bull Crap, so they picked the more extreme elements to generate eyeballs.

                      Sadly, not all British news organizations can stand up to the journalistic rigour of your usual go-to publication, The Daily Mail.

                      Tell ya what, beefeater, the two organizations resemble each other more than you will admit, differing only in viewpoint and snot tracks.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        @Jolly

                        Much of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and basic law are based on many of the beliefs of Christianity and the Founders were Christian or at least were very familiar with the religion.

                        They were also very familiar with Greco-Roman philosophy, Renaissance Humanism and, for them, contemporary thinking of what we refer to as the Enlightenment. Several including Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Washington had no use for organized religion and referred to themselves Deists. They believed in the ability of human reason. Still others professed their faith through non Chalcedon compliant denominations such as Quakers and Unitarianism - both of which would not necessarily be considered Christian then or even now.

                        I would argue therefore the US was founded on the principles of human reason as manifested during the 18 Century Enlightenment.

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                        @Renauda said in Those Scary Christians:

                        @Jolly

                        Much of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and basic law are based on many of the beliefs of Christianity and the Founders were Christian or at least were very familiar with the religion.

                        They were also very familiar with Greco-Roman philosophy, Renaissance Humanism and, for them, contemporary thinking of what we refer to as the Enlightenment. Several including Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Washington had no use for organized religion and referred to themselves Deists. They believed in the ability of human reason. Still others professed their faith through non Chalcedon compliant denominations such as Quakers and Unitarianism - both of which would not necessarily be considered Christian then or even now.

                        I would argue therefore the US was founded on the principles of human reason as manifested during the 18 Century Enlightenment.

                        Yet, they were quite familiar with the Bible and quoted scriptures or made scriptural references quite a bit.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Those Scary Christians:

                          @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                          Well, it is from Better Bull Crap, so they picked the more extreme elements to generate eyeballs.

                          Sadly, not all British news organizations can stand up to the journalistic rigour of your usual go-to publication, The Daily Mail.

                          Tell ya what, beefeater, the two organizations resemble each other more than you will admit, differing only in viewpoint and snot tracks.

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                          @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Those Scary Christians:

                          @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                          Well, it is from Better Bull Crap, so they picked the more extreme elements to generate eyeballs.

                          Sadly, not all British news organizations can stand up to the journalistic rigour of your usual go-to publication, The Daily Mail.

                          Tell ya what, beefeater, the two organizations resemble each other more than you will admit, differing only in viewpoint and snot tracks.

                          You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

                          I was only joking

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @Renauda said in Those Scary Christians:

                            @Jolly

                            Much of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and basic law are based on many of the beliefs of Christianity and the Founders were Christian or at least were very familiar with the religion.

                            They were also very familiar with Greco-Roman philosophy, Renaissance Humanism and, for them, contemporary thinking of what we refer to as the Enlightenment. Several including Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Washington had no use for organized religion and referred to themselves Deists. They believed in the ability of human reason. Still others professed their faith through non Chalcedon compliant denominations such as Quakers and Unitarianism - both of which would not necessarily be considered Christian then or even now.

                            I would argue therefore the US was founded on the principles of human reason as manifested during the 18 Century Enlightenment.

                            Yet, they were quite familiar with the Bible and quoted scriptures or made scriptural references quite a bit.

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                            @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                            @Renauda said in Those Scary Christians:

                            @Jolly

                            Much of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and basic law are based on many of the beliefs of Christianity and the Founders were Christian or at least were very familiar with the religion.

                            They were also very familiar with Greco-Roman philosophy, Renaissance Humanism and, for them, contemporary thinking of what we refer to as the Enlightenment. Several including Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Washington had no use for organized religion and referred to themselves Deists. They believed in the ability of human reason. Still others professed their faith through non Chalcedon compliant denominations such as Quakers and Unitarianism - both of which would not necessarily be considered Christian then or even now.

                            I would argue therefore the US was founded on the principles of human reason as manifested during the 18 Century Enlightenment.

                            Yet, they were quite familiar with the Bible and quoted scriptures or made scriptural references quite a bit.

                            I am not disputing that. What I am saying though is that they were a product of their time and thought of themselves as being guided by reason as opposed to the dogmas and superstitions of previous generations.

                            Elbows up!

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                              America was conceived by several who were Christian - but they explicitly left almost all reference to the divine out of its framing.

                              That seems to very much have been done on purpose.

                              The people in the article are wrong. They have every right to advocate for policies in line with their Christian beliefs - but the government should not be Christian.

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                                @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Those Scary Christians:

                                @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                                Well, it is from Better Bull Crap, so they picked the more extreme elements to generate eyeballs.

                                Sadly, not all British news organizations can stand up to the journalistic rigour of your usual go-to publication, The Daily Mail.

                                Tell ya what, beefeater, the two organizations resemble each other more than you will admit, differing only in viewpoint and snot tracks.

                                You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Those Scary Christians:

                                @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Those Scary Christians:

                                @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                                Well, it is from Better Bull Crap, so they picked the more extreme elements to generate eyeballs.

                                Sadly, not all British news organizations can stand up to the journalistic rigour of your usual go-to publication, The Daily Mail.

                                Tell ya what, beefeater, the two organizations resemble each other more than you will admit, differing only in viewpoint and snot tracks.

                                You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

                                Nah, you're living in the past. It ain't your father's BBC.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  America was conceived by several who were Christian - but they explicitly left almost all reference to the divine out of its framing.

                                  That seems to very much have been done on purpose.

                                  The people in the article are wrong. They have every right to advocate for policies in line with their Christian beliefs - but the government should not be Christian.

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                                  @xenon said in Those Scary Christians:

                                  America was conceived by several who were Christian - but they explicitly left almost all reference to the divine out of its framing.

                                  That seems to very much have been done on purpose.

                                  The people in the article are wrong. They have every right to advocate for policies in line with their Christian beliefs - but the government should not be Christian.

                                  Perhaps, but the essential underpinnings of our government and way of life are Western European and Christian.

                                  Are would you rather have a government like Jordan, India, China or Thailand?

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Those Scary Christians:

                                    @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Those Scary Christians:

                                    @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                                    Well, it is from Better Bull Crap, so they picked the more extreme elements to generate eyeballs.

                                    Sadly, not all British news organizations can stand up to the journalistic rigour of your usual go-to publication, The Daily Mail.

                                    Tell ya what, beefeater, the two organizations resemble each other more than you will admit, differing only in viewpoint and snot tracks.

                                    You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

                                    Nah, you're living in the past. It ain't your father's BBC.

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                                    @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Those Scary Christians:

                                    @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Those Scary Christians:

                                    @Jolly said in Those Scary Christians:

                                    Well, it is from Better Bull Crap, so they picked the more extreme elements to generate eyeballs.

                                    Sadly, not all British news organizations can stand up to the journalistic rigour of your usual go-to publication, The Daily Mail.

                                    Tell ya what, beefeater, the two organizations resemble each other more than you will admit, differing only in viewpoint and snot tracks.

                                    You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

                                    Nah, you're living in the past. It ain't your father's BBC.

                                    You should look up the oversight system. The BBC operates under a charter, and is regulated. The Daily Mail isn't.

                                    Also, you should try watching and listening to some of their programming rather than believing what you read about them in places like the Daily Mail, which has long hated it almost as much as it hates pretty much everything else modern.

                                    Is the BBC perfect? Obviously not. They suffer from bias, and some level of liberal elitism. I find their toadying to the Royals quite tedious, too - but lots of media people do that in England. But to compare them to a rag like the Mail is ridiculous.

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @xenon said in Those Scary Christians:

                                      America was conceived by several who were Christian - but they explicitly left almost all reference to the divine out of its framing.

                                      That seems to very much have been done on purpose.

                                      The people in the article are wrong. They have every right to advocate for policies in line with their Christian beliefs - but the government should not be Christian.

                                      Perhaps, but the essential underpinnings of our government and way of life are Western European and Christian.

                                      Are would you rather have a government like Jordan, India, China or Thailand?

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                                      Renauda
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                                      @Jolly

                                      Perhaps, but the essential underpinnings of our government and way of life are Western European and Christian.

                                      Are would you rather have a government like Jordan, India, China or Thailand?

                                      Christian Western European political thought also produced at least a few undesirable, if not thoroughly reprehensible, ~isms that shaped much of the 20th century global political landscape.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        @Jolly

                                        Perhaps, but the essential underpinnings of our government and way of life are Western European and Christian.

                                        Are would you rather have a government like Jordan, India, China or Thailand?

                                        Christian Western European political thought also produced at least a few undesirable, if not thoroughly reprehensible, ~isms that shaped much of the 20th century global political landscape.

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                                        @Renauda said in Those Scary Christians:

                                        @Jolly

                                        Perhaps, but the essential underpinnings of our government and way of life are Western European and Christian.

                                        Are would you rather have a government like Jordan, India, China or Thailand?

                                        Christian Western European political thought also produced at least a few undesirable, if not wholly reprehensible,isms that shaped much of 20th century.

                                        Doesn’t Russia claim to hold traditional Christian values? He’s certainly got the church pandering to his regime, and they’re notoriously ‘traditional’ with their attitudes to homosexuality, for example. Some people on the American right were at one point implying that Putin was defending traditional Christianity.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          @Renauda said in Those Scary Christians:

                                          @Jolly

                                          Perhaps, but the essential underpinnings of our government and way of life are Western European and Christian.

                                          Are would you rather have a government like Jordan, India, China or Thailand?

                                          Christian Western European political thought also produced at least a few undesirable, if not wholly reprehensible,isms that shaped much of 20th century.

                                          Doesn’t Russia claim to hold traditional Christian values? He’s certainly got the church pandering to his regime, and they’re notoriously ‘traditional’ with their attitudes to homosexuality, for example. Some people on the American right were at one point implying that Putin was defending traditional Christianity.

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                                          @Doctor-Phibes

                                          Yes, Russia considers itself the Third Rome.

                                          Elbows up!

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