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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #3

    Never understood it, myself. If it’s a vegetable, let it be a vegetable. There’s nothing wrong with being a vegetable. Don’t force your own preferences on the vegetables to be something they aren’t… Unless they don’t identify as vegetables? I mean, if the vegetables identify as meat, who are we to say they aren’t?

    We must protect our trans meat allies!

    The Brad

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      Never understood it, myself. If it’s a vegetable, let it be a vegetable. There’s nothing wrong with being a vegetable. Don’t force your own preferences on the vegetables to be something they aren’t… Unless they don’t identify as vegetables? I mean, if the vegetables identify as meat, who are we to say they aren’t?

      We must protect our trans meat allies!

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      George K
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      @LuFins-Dad said in Struggling:

      Never understood it, myself. If it’s a vegetable, let it be a vegetable. There’s nothing wrong with being a vegetable. Don’t force your own preferences on the vegetables to be something they aren’t… Unless they don’t identify as vegetables? I mean, if the vegetables identify as meat, who are we to say they aren’t?

      We must protect our trans meat allies!

      Thank you for bringing some common sense to this topic. Who are we to impose our perceptions on broccoli?

      Nothing worse than mis-veggie-ing. Might get you banned on Twitter in the old days.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        Probably where most people have tried a meat substitute is the Impossible Whopper at Burger King.

        I'm too lazy to look the sales up, but I don't think it's their hot seller.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          I've not done the BK "Impossible Burger," but I've tried the White Castle version of it.

          I mean, if you're going to try "fake meat," it might as well be a "fake slider," right?

          It wasn't bad. Actually, it tasted sort of like a slider - just a bit different. If you gave me a dinner of them, I would eat it, noting that something's not quite right, but not offensive.

          Screenshot 2022-12-09 at 6.38.52 AM.png

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • Doctor PhibesD Online
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            #7

            I had an impossible burger at a burger place somewhere - not BK, and thought it was pretty decent. The fact that it cost more than regular beef and may well be no healthier wasn't exactly a selling point for me.

            As an aside, Burger King in general seems to have got almost prohibitively expensive. We can get a meal for four at the local KFC, with leftovers, for only slightly more than two BK meals.

            I was only joking

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            • George KG Offline
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              Whoa. That impossible slider has 530 mg of sodium. Add cheese and it's up to 700. At least the carbs are reasonable at 17.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • AxtremusA Offline
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                I've tried both Beyond and Impossible. Taste-wise I like them just fine. But I cannot understand why they continued to be significantly more expensive than real beef. You'd figure if they go directly from plant to food, as opposed to from plant to livestock to food, cutting out a big middle step with all that carbon and energy savings, that it should be a lot cheaper. Yet it never is.

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  I've tried both Beyond and Impossible. Taste-wise I like them just fine. But I cannot understand why they continued to be significantly more expensive than real beef. You'd figure if they go directly from plant to food, as opposed to from plant to livestock to food, cutting out a big middle step with all that carbon and energy savings, that it should be a lot cheaper. Yet it never is.

                  LuFins DadL Offline
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                  LuFins Dad
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                  @Axtremus said in Struggling:

                  I've tried both Beyond and Impossible. Taste-wise I like them just fine. But I cannot understand why they continued to be significantly more expensive than real beef. You'd figure if they go directly from plant to food, as opposed to from plant to livestock to food, cutting out a big middle step with all that carbon and energy savings, that it should be a lot cheaper. Yet it never is.

                  1. Scale

                  2. it’s not a straight line from the farm to Beyond… It does have its own production overhead.

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    @Axtremus said in Struggling:

                    I've tried both Beyond and Impossible. Taste-wise I like them just fine. But I cannot understand why they continued to be significantly more expensive than real beef. You'd figure if they go directly from plant to food, as opposed to from plant to livestock to food, cutting out a big middle step with all that carbon and energy savings, that it should be a lot cheaper. Yet it never is.

                    1. Scale

                    2. it’s not a straight line from the farm to Beyond… It does have its own production overhead.

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                    Axtremus
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                    @LuFins-Dad said in Struggling:

                    1. it’s not a straight line from the farm to Beyond… It does have its own production overhead.

                    This one I am skeptical about when comparing to beef -- where are the supposed energy/carbon footprint savings if it costs them more than actually raising livestock?

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Struggling:

                      1. it’s not a straight line from the farm to Beyond… It does have its own production overhead.

                      This one I am skeptical about when comparing to beef -- where are the supposed energy/carbon footprint savings if it costs them more than actually raising livestock?

                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
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                      @Axtremus said in Struggling:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Struggling:

                      1. it’s not a straight line from the farm to Beyond… It does have its own production overhead.

                      This one I am skeptical about when comparing to beef -- where are the supposed energy/carbon footprint savings if it costs them more than actually raising livestock?

                      Where are costs limited to energy? And why are you tying overhead strictly to carbon? You are also completely ignoring how scale effects all the aspects of production including transportation.

                      The Brad

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        I was going to try one in 2017, but then I saw the nutritional information. It wasn't any better for me than beef and it had all sorts of weird things in it.

                        I'm with Lufin. Want me to eat more vegetarian? No issue. Show me how to make great, satisfying dishes that way like I am tonight.

                        https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/food-network-kitchen/rigatoni-with-roasted-cherry-tomatoes-and-burrata-3364214#reviewsTop

                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                          Aqua Letifer
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                          Being so anti smacks of boomerism, y'all know that, right? 😄 Why eat this stuff instead of meat? Because it isn't meat, it's something else. Why not eat vegetables instead? Because it works better than kale if you're making a burger.

                          I really don't see the issue.

                          Please love yourself.

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