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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #1249

    GLSDB

    https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/100-mile-strike-weapon-weighed-ukraine-arms-makers-wrestle-with-demand-sources-2022-11-28/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by Mik
      #1250

      The beginning of the end?

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/oleksiy-yakubin-is-russia-slowly-embracing-realpolitik-in-ukraine/ar-AA14GpWr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=02ceb2cf286348f3ad38048385bcc730

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        The beginning of the end?

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/oleksiy-yakubin-is-russia-slowly-embracing-realpolitik-in-ukraine/ar-AA14GpWr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=02ceb2cf286348f3ad38048385bcc730

        RenaudaR Offline
        RenaudaR Offline
        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #1251

        @Mik

        I would say more like Churchill’s assessment following Al Alamein and two days into Operation Torch:

        “The end of the beginning”

        Link to video

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote on last edited by Mik
          #1252

          He's not going to give it up without something where he can claim victory. If we want Russia out of Ukraine and Crimea, it's going to be a long slog. However painful, from an American perspective I think it's worthwhile to do so. Ukrainians may well have a different opinion.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            He's not going to give it up without something where he can claim victory. If we want Russia out of Ukraine and Crimea, it's going to be a long slog. However painful, from an American perspective I think it's worthwhile to do so. Ukrainians may well have a different opinion.

            RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #1253

            @Mik

            No argument from me. If Ukrainians can continue hold out this winter despite ongoing Russian destruction of their energy infrastructure, they will prevail militarily. As for Russia it wins by losing. To quote Timothy Snyder:

            “Russia wins by losing. Russia really needs to lose this war, and to lose it decisively,” he said. “The whole colonial move towards Ukraine is a distraction, a substitute for the internal changes which Russia really has to make.”

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1254

              The noose tightens?

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-commits-to-future-ukraine-membership-drums-up-aid/ar-AA14G6V8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a4a055b4943140d49b455ae1c3d3b4d1

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • George KG Offline
                George KG Offline
                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #1255

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1256

                  @darthputin is the best.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1257

                    What a bizarre conversation.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1258

                      This smells like propaganda, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1259

                        I'd be very surprised.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • George KG George K

                          This smells like propaganda, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

                          RenaudaR Offline
                          RenaudaR Offline
                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1260

                          @George-K

                          Likely story. Not even a convincing actor.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1261

                            This is in central Russia.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG Offline
                              George KG Offline
                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1262

                              Secret modifications: https://english.nv.ua/nation/us-has-modified-himars-to-prevent-ukraine-from-striking-russian-territory-news-50288873.html

                              “The United States secretly modified the advanced HIMARS rocket launchers it gave Ukraine so they can’t be used to fire long-range missiles into Russia – a precaution the Biden administration says is necessary to reduce the risk of a wider war with Moscow,” WSJ writes.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1263

                                No problem. We’ll just modify and improve on readily available old Soviet technology to strike those airbases deep inside Russia:

                                https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2022/12/explosions-russian-air-bases-may-change-several-nations-calculations/380521/

                                Elbows up!

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1264

                                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-has-no-way-to-win-the-ukraine-war/ar-AA14Zeia?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f56ba7dd7a7c4ca4adef8ecee61d46f7

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • RenaudaR Offline
                                    RenaudaR Offline
                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #1265

                                    What ever you do, don’t mention the war……

                                    Ahead of the meeting, the Kremlin reportedly urged members of the Human Rights Council “not to upset” Putin with thorny questions about the war in Ukraine, independent news outlet Verstka said.

                                    Members of the body were also reportedly urged to avoid the “toxic” issue of Russian troop deaths in Ukraine.

                                    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/12/07/putin-denies-kremlin-plans-nuclear-first-strike-in-ukraine-a79632

                                    I note though that he is beginning to turn down nuclear rhetoric. Perhaps Chairman Xi had a little phone discussion with him.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • George KG Offline
                                      George KG Offline
                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1266

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1267

                                        History shows us it is best not to fuck with the 'stans.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1268

                                          A small drone with a couple of incendiary grenades can literally be carried anywhere.

                                          There are a lot of targets that can be taken out with just that small nudge.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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