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I'm so old that I remember requiring people to show up at the office was tyranny!
Snap demands employees work in office 80% of the time
Snapchat’s parent company is asking workers to return to the office 80% of the time, or the equivalent of four days a week, beginning early next year, in the latest sign of tech employees receiving less flexibility nearly three years after the pandemic took hold and amid a wave of industry cost cutting.
“After working remotely for so long we’re excited to get everyone back together next year with our new 80/20 hybrid model,” a spokesperson for Snap (SNAP) confirmed to CNN in a statement Tuesday. “We believe that being together in person, while retaining flexibility for our team members, will enhance our ability to deliver on our strategic priorities of growing our community, driving revenue growth, and leading in [augmented reality].”
The new policy will take effect at the end of February.
News of Snap’s stricter in-office policy was first reported by Bloomberg, which cited an internal memo from CEO Evan Spiegel telling employees they may have to “sacrifice” some amount of “individual convenience” but it will benefit “our collective success.”
Silicon Valley companies, known for their perk-filled campuses, were among the first to go remote in the early days of the pandemic. More recently, however, some have attempted to mandate workers spend more time in the office. Apple, for example, has called for its corporate workers to be in the office at least three days a week, sparking tensions with some of its staffers. But workers may have less leverage to push back amid a growing number of mass layoffs.
In late August, Snap announced plans to lay off some 20% of its global employees, or more than 1,200 staffers. A number of other tech companies have since followed suit. Meta, Twitter and Amazon have all cut staff recently, while others like Apple (AAPL) are rethinking their pace of hiring.
After billionaire Elon Musk’s acquisition of Twitter (TWTR) closed, he quickly fired some 50% of the social platform’s staff and reversed course on the company’s flexible remote-work policy.
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I'm so old that I remember requiring people to show up at the office was tyranny!
Snap demands employees work in office 80% of the time
Snapchat’s parent company is asking workers to return to the office 80% of the time, or the equivalent of four days a week, beginning early next year, in the latest sign of tech employees receiving less flexibility nearly three years after the pandemic took hold and amid a wave of industry cost cutting.
“After working remotely for so long we’re excited to get everyone back together next year with our new 80/20 hybrid model,” a spokesperson for Snap (SNAP) confirmed to CNN in a statement Tuesday. “We believe that being together in person, while retaining flexibility for our team members, will enhance our ability to deliver on our strategic priorities of growing our community, driving revenue growth, and leading in [augmented reality].”
The new policy will take effect at the end of February.
News of Snap’s stricter in-office policy was first reported by Bloomberg, which cited an internal memo from CEO Evan Spiegel telling employees they may have to “sacrifice” some amount of “individual convenience” but it will benefit “our collective success.”
Silicon Valley companies, known for their perk-filled campuses, were among the first to go remote in the early days of the pandemic. More recently, however, some have attempted to mandate workers spend more time in the office. Apple, for example, has called for its corporate workers to be in the office at least three days a week, sparking tensions with some of its staffers. But workers may have less leverage to push back amid a growing number of mass layoffs.
In late August, Snap announced plans to lay off some 20% of its global employees, or more than 1,200 staffers. A number of other tech companies have since followed suit. Meta, Twitter and Amazon have all cut staff recently, while others like Apple (AAPL) are rethinking their pace of hiring.
After billionaire Elon Musk’s acquisition of Twitter (TWTR) closed, he quickly fired some 50% of the social platform’s staff and reversed course on the company’s flexible remote-work policy.
@George-K said in Come in to the office:
I'm so old that I remember requiring people to show up at the office was tyranny!
Why say "I'm so old that"? The people who are saying that have never stopped doing so.
And how is this in any way a smart move? All they're doing is maximizing the number of employees they're going to have to lay off and I don't mean for noncompliance.
Snap demands employees work in office 80% of the time
Snapchat’s parent company is asking workers to return to the office 80% of the time, or the equivalent of four days a week, beginning early next year, in the latest sign of tech employees receiving less flexibility nearly three years after the pandemic took hold and amid a wave of industry cost cutting.
“After working remotely for so long we’re excited to get everyone back together next year with our new 80/20 hybrid model,” a spokesperson for Snap (SNAP) confirmed to CNN in a statement Tuesday. “We believe that being together in person, while retaining flexibility for our team members, will enhance our ability to deliver on our strategic priorities of growing our community, driving revenue growth, and leading in [augmented reality].”
The new policy will take effect at the end of February.
News of Snap’s stricter in-office policy was first reported by Bloomberg, which cited an internal memo from CEO Evan Spiegel telling employees they may have to “sacrifice” some amount of “individual convenience” but it will benefit “our collective success.”
Silicon Valley companies, known for their perk-filled campuses, were among the first to go remote in the early days of the pandemic. More recently, however, some have attempted to mandate workers spend more time in the office. Apple, for example, has called for its corporate workers to be in the office at least three days a week, sparking tensions with some of its staffers. But workers may have less leverage to push back amid a growing number of mass layoffs.
In late August, Snap announced plans to lay off some 20% of its global employees, or more than 1,200 staffers. A number of other tech companies have since followed suit. Meta, Twitter and Amazon have all cut staff recently, while others like Apple (AAPL) are rethinking their pace of hiring.
After billionaire Elon Musk’s acquisition of Twitter (TWTR) closed, he quickly fired some 50% of the social platform’s staff and reversed course on the company’s flexible remote-work policy.
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It's an interesting situation. Our company did really well over the shutdown from a financial perspective, but I do see the advantages of coming into work some of the time. When I returned, rather against my will, I actually found that I'd very much missed the human interactions.
We're currently working a 60/40 office/home balance, but they're pretty flexible if things come up meaning more time at home. I think I'd prefer it if it was 40/60, but with the option of doing more in office if you want to.
The pandemic woke people up to the fact that there are different ways to work - for example, remote video test-witnessing can work really well. It's hard to justify not permitting something that you did allow during the height of pandemia.
If you want to hire good younger people (and who doesn't?), you need to at least appear more flexible in the current market.
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Back in about 2015, Louisiana welfare offices started letting a good percentage of their employees work remotely most of the time.
The employees loved it.
The managers thought it a disaster.
Some things they've seen...
- Productivity was up at first, then slowly declined.
- Communicating little things got harder.
- Team concepts were harder to implement.
- The buildings are still there, costing the same for maintenance and climate control.
I think there are some guys who work well from home, but those guys are going to be your good employees, anyway. The marginal guys are the ones I think are hurt by not commuting to a physical location.
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We've always had full time remote employees where I work. Fewer than now, but they've always been a thing.
@Horace said in Come in to the office:
We've always had full time remote employees where I work. Fewer than now, but they've always been a thing.
- Remote employment does/does not work in my ridiculously small sphere of experience.
- Therefore, I think it does/does not work per se, and all of my discussions around remote work will be in support of that fallacy.
I don't understand why this has to be the mantra. Quite fucking obviously it's an ideal situation in some cases and doesn't work in others.
Please love yourself.
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@Horace said in Come in to the office:
We've always had full time remote employees where I work. Fewer than now, but they've always been a thing.
- Remote employment does/does not work in my ridiculously small sphere of experience.
- Therefore, I think it does/does not work per se, and all of my discussions around remote work will be in support of that fallacy.
I don't understand why this has to be the mantra. Quite fucking obviously it's an ideal situation in some cases and doesn't work in others.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Come in to the office:
@Horace said in Come in to the office:
We've always had full time remote employees where I work. Fewer than now, but they've always been a thing.
- Remote employment does/does not work in my ridiculously small sphere of experience.
- Therefore, I think it does/does not work per se, and all of my discussions around remote work will be in support of that fallacy.
I don't understand why this has to be the mantra. Quite fucking obviously it's an ideal situation in some cases and doesn't work in others.
Better than that - because I like coming into the office/working from home - so should you!
The issue isn't about being nice or not. It's about employees having different expectations nowadays. If you force people to do something they really don't want to do, they will leave. So the question isn't whether you force them to work in a certain way, but whether you really want to keep them or not. If Elon carries on acting the way he has been doing, he's really going to struggle with retention of good people.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Come in to the office:
@Horace said in Come in to the office:
We've always had full time remote employees where I work. Fewer than now, but they've always been a thing.
- Remote employment does/does not work in my ridiculously small sphere of experience.
- Therefore, I think it does/does not work per se, and all of my discussions around remote work will be in support of that fallacy.
I don't understand why this has to be the mantra. Quite fucking obviously it's an ideal situation in some cases and doesn't work in others.
Better than that - because I like coming into the office/working from home - so should you!
The issue isn't about being nice or not. It's about employees having different expectations nowadays. If you force people to do something they really don't want to do, they will leave. So the question isn't whether you force them to work in a certain way, but whether you really want to keep them or not. If Elon carries on acting the way he has been doing, he's really going to struggle with retention of good people.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Come in to the office:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Come in to the office:
@Horace said in Come in to the office:
We've always had full time remote employees where I work. Fewer than now, but they've always been a thing.
- Remote employment does/does not work in my ridiculously small sphere of experience.
- Therefore, I think it does/does not work per se, and all of my discussions around remote work will be in support of that fallacy.
I don't understand why this has to be the mantra. Quite fucking obviously it's an ideal situation in some cases and doesn't work in others.
Better than that - because I like coming into the office/working from home - so should you!
Your story where you really didn't want to return, but found you actually enjoyed it, is terrible. That idea planted, it won't matter when employees say they really do prefer working from home. They just need to be forced to come in, for their own good! They'll end up thanking the company!
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Come in to the office:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Come in to the office:
@Horace said in Come in to the office:
We've always had full time remote employees where I work. Fewer than now, but they've always been a thing.
- Remote employment does/does not work in my ridiculously small sphere of experience.
- Therefore, I think it does/does not work per se, and all of my discussions around remote work will be in support of that fallacy.
I don't understand why this has to be the mantra. Quite fucking obviously it's an ideal situation in some cases and doesn't work in others.
Better than that - because I like coming into the office/working from home - so should you!
Your story where you really didn't want to return, but found you actually enjoyed it, is terrible. That idea planted, it won't matter when employees say they really do prefer working from home. They just need to be forced to come in, for their own good! They'll end up thanking the company!
@Horace said in Come in to the office:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Come in to the office:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Come in to the office:
@Horace said in Come in to the office:
We've always had full time remote employees where I work. Fewer than now, but they've always been a thing.
- Remote employment does/does not work in my ridiculously small sphere of experience.
- Therefore, I think it does/does not work per se, and all of my discussions around remote work will be in support of that fallacy.
I don't understand why this has to be the mantra. Quite fucking obviously it's an ideal situation in some cases and doesn't work in others.
Better than that - because I like coming into the office/working from home - so should you!
Your story where you really didn't want to return, but found you actually enjoyed it, is terrible. That idea planted, it won't matter when employees say they really do prefer working from home. They just need to be forced to come in, for their own good! They'll end up thanking the company!
What I really like is flexibility and being able to choose how I work. I think that's the same for most people.
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Many of our large projects had people in multiple cities.
They pretty much always ended up hating each other.
Daily conference calls helped some and frequent visits to the other city helped.
But having the various cities hate each other wasn't always the worst thing.
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Here's my RIDICULOUSLY small work at home experience...
I couldn't.
Or should I say my family wouldn't let me...
I'd be in the basement office on the computer invoicing online orders and my wife would yell down "Honey, can you switch the laundry?" "I'm at work!" "You are "working 40 feet from the laundry that needs switched..."
I would be on the phone with a customer wanting to place an order for a piano that they had been considering for several months before the pandemic but wouldn't be able to hear due to a teenager chasing the dogs through the house.
I'd be on a zoom meeting for a school bid and would be asked if I could turn the video off so I could change the baby's diaper while Karla took care of the Instacart grocery delivery...
I was back in the store before April 15th...
Bless my family, they weren't trying to be disruptive but they had difficulty putting a wall up between me at home and me at work at home. And in all fairness I couldn't find the balance either and was trying to wall myself off too much.
There are jobs that can be done working remotely. It doesn't mean that all of the people performing those jobs can do so remotely.
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Here's my RIDICULOUSLY small work at home experience...
I couldn't.
Or should I say my family wouldn't let me...
I'd be in the basement office on the computer invoicing online orders and my wife would yell down "Honey, can you switch the laundry?" "I'm at work!" "You are "working 40 feet from the laundry that needs switched..."
I would be on the phone with a customer wanting to place an order for a piano that they had been considering for several months before the pandemic but wouldn't be able to hear due to a teenager chasing the dogs through the house.
I'd be on a zoom meeting for a school bid and would be asked if I could turn the video off so I could change the baby's diaper while Karla took care of the Instacart grocery delivery...
I was back in the store before April 15th...
Bless my family, they weren't trying to be disruptive but they had difficulty putting a wall up between me at home and me at work at home. And in all fairness I couldn't find the balance either and was trying to wall myself off too much.
There are jobs that can be done working remotely. It doesn't mean that all of the people performing those jobs can do so remotely.
@LuFins-Dad Interesting experience. I work 99% remotely and definitely find myself getting pulled into parental duties more than I want. Maybe it's transferring a sleeping kid from the car to his bed for a nap, or helping get lunch ready, or watching one kid while the other one goes with my wife to gymnastics (for the kid, not my wife). Anyway, it's not the end of the world and my wife tries to keep a good boundary, but I can't remember the last time I had an un-interrupted 8 hour work day.
That being said, when I do go into the office, the 8 hours moves ridiculously slowly. Then again, I work in IT and not in a more interactive/dynamic environment like LD.
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@Horace said in Come in to the office:
We've always had full time remote employees where I work. Fewer than now, but they've always been a thing.
- Remote employment does/does not work in my ridiculously small sphere of experience.
- Therefore, I think it does/does not work per se, and all of my discussions around remote work will be in support of that fallacy.
I don't understand why this has to be the mantra. Quite fucking obviously it's an ideal situation in some cases and doesn't work in others.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Come in to the office:
@Horace said in Come in to the office:
We've always had full time remote employees where I work. Fewer than now, but they've always been a thing.
- Remote employment does/does not work in my ridiculously small sphere of experience.
- Therefore, I think it does/does not work per se, and all of my discussions around remote work will be in support of that fallacy.
I don't understand why this has to be the mantra. Quite fucking obviously it's an ideal situation in some cases and doesn't work in others.
I don't know about situations as much as with individual people.
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The joke I have heard to describe remote work.
It is not "working from home"
It is "sleeping at the office"
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https://www.inc.com/sarah-lynch-/amazons-new-rto-mandate-has-some-employees-incensed.html
CEO Andy Jassy announced on Monday that workers would be required to return to the office five days per week starting in January, as Inc. previously reported, after working at least three days in the office since February 2023. Jassy claimed that the increased in-office time would further strengthen the company's culture, collaboration, and sense of connection, according to the announcement.
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I’m in a 71%/29% work home schedule. 5/7 days a week I work my ass off, sometimes 12 hour days, at the hospital. (Includes clinic,OR time, staff meetings, students, paperwork which can’t be done at home) and 2/7 day weekends at home plowing through emails I may have missed, unanswered whatapp messages, telephone calls from distraught patients ( my incision is swollen, what do I do?).
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I’m in a 71%/29% work home schedule. 5/7 days a week I work my ass off, sometimes 12 hour days, at the hospital. (Includes clinic,OR time, staff meetings, students, paperwork which can’t be done at home) and 2/7 day weekends at home plowing through emails I may have missed, unanswered whatapp messages, telephone calls from distraught patients ( my incision is swollen, what do I do?).
I think it’s a great balance.@bachophile Slacker!!! (Just tease you!. I am actually in awe of medical people like yourself, George, Jolyy, Blondie, etc. and wha you guys do)
