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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    @Mik said in Fetterman:

    Speaking to their criticism of Oz, shit man...he's a surgeon. You need not expect kid gloves or an overabundance of diplomacy.

    But he’s more recently a snake oil salesman. There you expect the people skills to be key.

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    @jon-nyc said in Fetterman:

    @Mik said in Fetterman:

    Speaking to their criticism of Oz, shit man...he's a surgeon. You need not expect kid gloves or an overabundance of diplomacy.

    But he’s more recently a snake oil salesman. There you expect the people skills to be key.

    He’s the snake oil salesman that is tied with the Democrat candidate in a state where the Democrat should win the Governor race by 20 points…

    https://www.fox29.com/election/insideradvantage-fox-29-poll-fetterman-oz-neck-and-neck-as-shapiros-lead-narrows

    The Brad

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @Mik said in Fetterman:

      Speaking to their criticism of Oz, shit man...he's a surgeon. You need not expect kid gloves or an overabundance of diplomacy.

      But he’s more recently a snake oil salesman. There you expect the people skills to be key.

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      @jon-nyc said in Fetterman:

      But he’s more recently a snake oil salesman.

      And that's the problem I have with him.

      OTOH, all politicians are that, to some extent, right?

      For a while he was into anti-aging BS with an anesthesiologist I had met once. The gas passer was a real asshole. I think I've mentioned this before.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          As long as you consider them the propaganda wing of the Demonrats, it all makes sense...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            As long as you consider them the propaganda wing of the Demonrats, it all makes sense...

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            @Jolly said in Fetterman:

            the propaganda wing of the Demonrats

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            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

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              AxtremusA Away
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              Axtremus
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              @George-K Have you read “Butcher of Language” op-ed?

              A couple of examples cited therein:

              When challenged on reducing the cost of insulin, Walker responded: “I believe in reducing insulin, but at the same time, you got to eat right, because he may not know and I know many people that’s on insulin, and unless you have a eating right, insulin is doing you no good.”

              … Walker said: “Well right now, people have coverage for health care. It’s according to what type of coverage do you want because if you have an able-bodied job, you’re going to have health care. But everyone else have health care, it’s the type of health care you’re going to get. And I think that is the problem. And what Senator Warnock wants you to do is to depend on the government. What I want you to do is get off the government health care and get on the health care he’s got.”

              The last part I bolded goes beyond language issue, it seems Walker wants people to “get off government health care” and get onto whatever health care Warnock has got, seemingly oblivious to the fact that as a U.S. Senator Warnock is also on “government health care.”

              I have interacted with many people with poor command of the English language and many of them did their jobs just fine, though their jobs are mostly technical, requiring specialized skills/knowledge, or labor intensive, not ones where command of the English language is all that important (e.g., lawyer or “Director of Communications” type corporate jobs in North America).

              As for the Fetterman headline about needing technology to do his job, I haven’t been able to find any NYT article with that exact headline. You got a link?

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                @George-K Have you read “Butcher of Language” op-ed?

                A couple of examples cited therein:

                When challenged on reducing the cost of insulin, Walker responded: “I believe in reducing insulin, but at the same time, you got to eat right, because he may not know and I know many people that’s on insulin, and unless you have a eating right, insulin is doing you no good.”

                … Walker said: “Well right now, people have coverage for health care. It’s according to what type of coverage do you want because if you have an able-bodied job, you’re going to have health care. But everyone else have health care, it’s the type of health care you’re going to get. And I think that is the problem. And what Senator Warnock wants you to do is to depend on the government. What I want you to do is get off the government health care and get on the health care he’s got.”

                The last part I bolded goes beyond language issue, it seems Walker wants people to “get off government health care” and get onto whatever health care Warnock has got, seemingly oblivious to the fact that as a U.S. Senator Warnock is also on “government health care.”

                I have interacted with many people with poor command of the English language and many of them did their jobs just fine, though their jobs are mostly technical, requiring specialized skills/knowledge, or labor intensive, not ones where command of the English language is all that important (e.g., lawyer or “Director of Communications” type corporate jobs in North America).

                As for the Fetterman headline about needing technology to do his job, I haven’t been able to find any NYT article with that exact headline. You got a link?

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                @Axtremus said in Fetterman:

                As for the Fetterman headline about needing technology to do his job, I haven’t been able to find any NYT article with that exact headline. You got a link?

                Multiple cites of that headline, but they all re-direct to a "caused a furor" op ed in the NYT.

                https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/y3f8sl/john_fetterman_is_a_disabled_american_who_needs/

                https://www.reddit.com/r/ArizonaLeft/comments/y45i43/john_fetterman_is_a_disabled_american_who_needs/

                The internet wayback machine has this archived:

                https://web.archive.org/web/20221013190244/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/opinion/fetterman-disability.html

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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @Axtremus said in Fetterman:

                  As for the Fetterman headline about needing technology to do his job, I haven’t been able to find any NYT article with that exact headline. You got a link?

                  Multiple cites of that headline, but they all re-direct to a "caused a furor" op ed in the NYT.

                  https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/y3f8sl/john_fetterman_is_a_disabled_american_who_needs/

                  https://www.reddit.com/r/ArizonaLeft/comments/y45i43/john_fetterman_is_a_disabled_american_who_needs/

                  The internet wayback machine has this archived:

                  https://web.archive.org/web/20221013190244/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/opinion/fetterman-disability.html

                  Screen Shot 2022-10-22 at 7.50.08 AM.png

                  AxtremusA Away
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                  Axtremus
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                  #37

                  @George-K Thanks, having read the op-ed as archived by the Internet Wayback Machine, I want to go a step further and post this question:

                  Would we ever support a deaf/mute person to be a U.S. Senator (or any national elected office)?

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    @George-K Thanks, having read the op-ed as archived by the Internet Wayback Machine, I want to go a step further and post this question:

                    Would we ever support a deaf/mute person to be a U.S. Senator (or any national elected office)?

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                    @Axtremus said in Fetterman:

                    @George-K Thanks, having read the op-ed as archived by the Internet Wayback Machine, I want to go a step further and post this question:

                    Would we ever support a deaf/mute person to be a U.S. Senator (or any national elected office)?

                    Sure would. Would support Fetterman if he wasn’t an idiot without the stroke. Who knows, it may have helped his cognitive function. I don’t think it could have damaged them…

                    But it would be good to have some live demonstrations that it’s an auditory disconnect and not a cognitive one. Unfortunately, to this point we have yet to be given an example where the interviews weren’t pre-scripted giving Fetterman advance access to the questions. I would like to see a debate where the questions were written out but not given in to the team in advance.

                    The Brad

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                    • MikM Away
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                      It seems to be becoming the standard for the Democrat party.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @Axtremus said in Fetterman:

                        @George-K Thanks, having read the op-ed as archived by the Internet Wayback Machine, I want to go a step further and post this question:

                        Would we ever support a deaf/mute person to be a U.S. Senator (or any national elected office)?

                        Sure would. Would support Fetterman if he wasn’t an idiot without the stroke. Who knows, it may have helped his cognitive function. I don’t think it could have damaged them…

                        But it would be good to have some live demonstrations that it’s an auditory disconnect and not a cognitive one. Unfortunately, to this point we have yet to be given an example where the interviews weren’t pre-scripted giving Fetterman advance access to the questions. I would like to see a debate where the questions were written out but not given in to the team in advance.

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                        Axtremus
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                        @LuFins-Dad said in Fetterman:

                        Would support Fetterman if he wasn’t an idiot without the stroke.

                        Just curious, what evidence would you cite to support your claim that Fetterman was an idiot without the stroke?

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          @George-K Thanks, having read the op-ed as archived by the Internet Wayback Machine, I want to go a step further and post this question:

                          Would we ever support a deaf/mute person to be a U.S. Senator (or any national elected office)?

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                          @Axtremus said in Fetterman:

                          @George-K Thanks, having read the op-ed as archived by the Internet Wayback Machine, I want to go a step further and post this question:

                          Would we ever support a deaf/mute person to be a U.S. Senator (or any national elected office)?

                          What does being a deaf mute have to do with cognitive function?

                          There are three in my wife's extended family. Provided you can sign, they can carry on a pretty rapid conversation, complete with the occasional curse word. They all read and write pretty well...One has a college degree.

                          So what's yer point, bud?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in Fetterman:

                            Would support Fetterman if he wasn’t an idiot without the stroke.

                            Just curious, what evidence would you cite to support your claim that Fetterman was an idiot without the stroke?

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                            @Axtremus said in Fetterman:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Fetterman:

                            Would support Fetterman if he wasn’t an idiot without the stroke.

                            Just curious, what evidence would you cite to support your claim that Fetterman was an idiot without the stroke?

                            For Exhibits 1 - 738, I present Braddock, Pennsylvania.

                            The Brad

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                              George K
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                              Tonight is the debate.

                              Anyone gonna watch?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #44

                                Uncle Fester gets a teleprompter and what else?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  Uncle Fester gets a teleprompter and what else?

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                                  @Jolly said in Fetterman:

                                  Uncle Fester gets a teleprompter and what else?

                                  Jake Tapper
                                  Nicole Wallace
                                  Rev (?) Sharpton
                                  Chuck Todd...

                                  Continue at your leisure.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @Jolly said in Fetterman:

                                    Uncle Fester gets a teleprompter and what else?

                                    Jake Tapper
                                    Nicole Wallace
                                    Rev (?) Sharpton
                                    Chuck Todd...

                                    Continue at your leisure.

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                                    @George-K said in Fetterman:

                                    @Jolly said in Fetterman:

                                    Uncle Fester gets a teleprompter and what else?

                                    Jake Tapper
                                    Nicole Wallace
                                    Rev (?) Sharpton
                                    Chuck Todd...

                                    Continue at your leisure.

                                    I saw that Chris Cuomo has sloppy seconds wrap up duty, who is moderating?

                                    The Brad

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                                      "John Fetterman talks about housing, but he didn't pay for his own house."

                                      LOL

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Considering his stroke, I'm impressed with how Fetterman's doing. He gets the question, and despite his speech problems, responds appropriately and seems to "get it."

                                        He's not coming off as an idiot or brain-addled.

                                        Even though he's an idiot.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          Considering his stroke, I'm impressed with how Fetterman's doing. He gets the question, and despite his speech problems, responds appropriately and seems to "get it."

                                          He's not coming off as an idiot or brain-addled.

                                          Even though he's an idiot.

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                                          @George-K said in Fetterman:

                                          Considering his stroke, I'm impressed with how Fetterman's doing. He gets the question, and despite his speech problems, responds appropriately and seems to "get it."

                                          He's not coming off as an idiot or brain-addled.

                                          Even though he's an idiot.

                                          Not watching, but am slightly interested. This was a risky move. It just takes one off answer…

                                          The Brad

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