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Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #33

    File this under interesting speculation of the "cui bono" variety:

    Could China have done it?

    It pinches Europe while giving them monopsony power buying Russian gas.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
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      #34

      Who might have or probably did it:

      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/10/04/shock-and-awe-who-attacked-the-nord-stream-pipelines-a78952

      Elbows up!

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by
        #35

        Interesting but he could also have covered US and Chinese incentives.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Interesting but he could also have covered US and Chinese incentives.

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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by
          #36

          @jon-nyc

          The fact that Tucker Carlson had already JAQed off over US incentives likely served as a deterrent for him. Good question about China though.

          Elbows up!

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #37

            Hybrid warfare, is Norway’s production next?

            https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/is-russia-preparing-to-target-vital-norwegian-energy-exports-to-europe/?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGHQ8XpilwoHYXpb57A1ArgS4lU4Qi0oF531tPyaXt08gMC1cNkIhYqSlUZHxmP3bE6jjLMQpaxje-VMFd4sXHRlspW665fCDkI_I9nGfASeg

            Elbows up!

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            • jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #38

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • CopperC Offline
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                Copper
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                #39

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #40

                  Pitchers

                  https://www.newsweek.com/new-images-reveal-extent-damage-done-nord-stream-after-explosion-1752869

                  Danish investigators believe that the damage to the Nord Stream pipelines by "powerful explosions."

                  One source claims the explosions came from within the pipeline.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    Pitchers

                    https://www.newsweek.com/new-images-reveal-extent-damage-done-nord-stream-after-explosion-1752869

                    Danish investigators believe that the damage to the Nord Stream pipelines by "powerful explosions."

                    One source claims the explosions came from within the pipeline.

                    RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #41

                    @George-K

                    As I have suspected all along, the Russian FSB launched weaponised smart pigs into the line and detonated them at designated points far from Russia.

                    SPECTRE SMERSH fingerprints all over it.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • AxtremusA Offline
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                      Axtremus
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                      #42

                      https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/18/nord-stream-1-first-underwater-images-reveal-devastating-damage

                      “… long tears in the seabed near the concrete-reinforced steel pipe that was not merely cracked but torn apart ... At least 50 metres of the gas pipeline appeared to be missing.”
                      …

                      Based on original reporting by a Swedish news site (more pictures and videos here): https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/forsta-bilderna-fran-sprangda-gasroret-pa-ostersjons-botten/

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #43

                        Explosives found

                        Swedish authorities investigating a series of blasts that damaged undersea natural-gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea said they had found traces of explosives on several foreign objects nearby, a potential break in an international probe into who was responsible for what authorities have called sabotage.

                        Sweden, in a statement Friday, said it found traces of explosives on several of the foreign objects. It didn’t elaborate but said it was continuing the “very complex and extensive” probe aimed at finding a culprit.

                        The discovery of explosives could help investigators learn the origins of the material. A press officer at the prosecutor’s office said it wasn’t clear if the material they had found was traceable.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #44

                          So, what is the West going to do about it?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            So, what is the West going to do about it?

                            RenaudaR Offline
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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #45

                            @Jolly

                            Continue to sanction and isolate Russia.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @Jolly

                              Continue to sanction and isolate Russia.

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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
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                              @Renauda said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

                              Continue to sanction and isolate Russia.

                              I've read that that's not making as serious an effect as hoped.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Renauda said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

                                Continue to sanction and isolate Russia.

                                I've read that that's not making as serious an effect as hoped.

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #47

                                @George-K

                                Well diplomacy hasn’t worked with Russia. Appeasement will only encourage continued bad behaviour in future. Doesn’t leave much else in the toolbox short of regime change. Don’t think anyone has the desire for the unintended consequences of that option.

                                So containment via economic sanction and political isolation remain the only practicable options in addition to material and technical support of Ukraine we have at the moment.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #48

                                  The support for Ukraine may slow with a coming recession.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    The support for Ukraine may slow with a coming recession.

                                    RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #49

                                    @Jolly

                                    Make no mistake, the Kremlin is banking on it.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by Mik
                                      #50

                                      Compared to the trillions of dollars we poured own the rathole in the past three years, Ukraine aid is a bargain, and actually goes toward an end we want. A vitally important one.

                                      Putin stuck his dick in the meat grinder. Let's make sure he can't pull it back out unharmed, much less be rewarded for it.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        The support for Ukraine may slow with a coming recession.

                                        jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                        #51

                                        @Jolly said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

                                        The support for Ukraine may slow with a coming recession.

                                        True, but I was mostly concerned about the appeasement/Putin fanboi wing of the GOP getting too much power. With the MAGA implosion that doesn’t seem to have happened.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          Compared to the trillions of dollars we poured own the rathole in the past three years, Ukraine aid is a bargain, and actually goes toward an end we want. A vitally important one.

                                          Putin stuck his dick in the meat grinder. Let's make sure he can't pull it back out unharmed, much less be rewarded for it.

                                          RenaudaR Offline
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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #52

                                          @Mik said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

                                          Compared to the trillions of dollars we poured own the rathole in the past three years, Ukraine aid is a bargain, and actually goes toward an end we want. A vitally important one.

                                          Putin stuck his dick in the meat grinder. Let's make sure he can't pull it back out unharmed, much less be rewarded for it.

                                          It is a deal as we cannot afford to appease Putin’s imperial obsessions. Ukrainians are willing to fight to the last person to defend their country from Putin’s horde. All they want from us is consistent political, material and technical support as practicable.

                                          Elbows up!

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