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I've read in a couple of places a civil suit against Houck was already dismissed. I also cannot find where he was ever charged by local law enforcement for anything.
Anybody have any other information?
wrote on 25 Sept 2022, 21:25 last edited by@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
Anybody have any other information?
Other than an alleged violation of the FACE act, no.
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wrote on 25 Sept 2022, 22:07 last edited by
So...If the civil suit was thrown out, and local law enforcement did not arrest him, why (besides political reasons) would the FBI do an assault on this guy's home?
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So...If the civil suit was thrown out, and local law enforcement did not arrest him, why (besides political reasons) would the FBI do an assault on this guy's home?
wrote on 25 Sept 2022, 22:10 last edited by@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
So...If the civil suit was thrown out, and local law enforcement did not arrest him, why (besides political reasons) would the FBI do an assault on this guy's home?
Different alleged crime?
The civil suit was a tort, not part of any state or federal statute. The assault was alleged and complaint dropped. Local authorities decided that "no reasonable prosecutor" would pursue the case.
The FEDERAL allegation is on the basis of a different law - one that makes it a FEDERAL crime to interfere with access to
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@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
So...If the civil suit was thrown out, and local law enforcement did not arrest him, why (besides political reasons) would the FBI do an assault on this guy's home?
Different alleged crime?
The civil suit was a tort, not part of any state or federal statute. The assault was alleged and complaint dropped. Local authorities decided that "no reasonable prosecutor" would pursue the case.
The FEDERAL allegation is on the basis of a different law - one that makes it a FEDERAL crime to interfere with access to
abortionmaternal health services.wrote on 25 Sept 2022, 22:13 last edited by@George-K said in With Guns Drawn:
@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
So...If the civil suit was thrown out, and local law enforcement did not arrest him, why (besides political reasons) would the FBI do an assault on this guy's home?
Different alleged crime?
The civil suit was a tort, not part of any state or federal statute. The assault was alleged and complaint dropped. Local authorities decided that "no reasonable prosecutor" would pursue the case.
The FEDERAL allegation is on the basis of a different law - one that makes it a FEDERAL crime to interfere with access to
abortionmaternal health services.And it took them a year to build a case?
In the first place, I wonder if the shoving incident was because of trying to deny a woman access to an abortion or because the escort told Hauck's son his dad was a fag? If that is the FBI's case, that is thin gruel, indeed.
Have the Democrats opened up ppolitical war on Christians?
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@George-K said in With Guns Drawn:
@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
So...If the civil suit was thrown out, and local law enforcement did not arrest him, why (besides political reasons) would the FBI do an assault on this guy's home?
Different alleged crime?
The civil suit was a tort, not part of any state or federal statute. The assault was alleged and complaint dropped. Local authorities decided that "no reasonable prosecutor" would pursue the case.
The FEDERAL allegation is on the basis of a different law - one that makes it a FEDERAL crime to interfere with access to
abortionmaternal health services.And it took them a year to build a case?
In the first place, I wonder if the shoving incident was because of trying to deny a woman access to an abortion or because the escort told Hauck's son his dad was a fag? If that is the FBI's case, that is thin gruel, indeed.
Have the Democrats opened up ppolitical war on Christians?
wrote on 25 Sept 2022, 22:27 last edited by@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
Have the Democrats opened up ppolitical war on Christians?
Only the heterosexual anti-abortion ones.
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@George-K said in With Guns Drawn:
@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
So...If the civil suit was thrown out, and local law enforcement did not arrest him, why (besides political reasons) would the FBI do an assault on this guy's home?
Different alleged crime?
The civil suit was a tort, not part of any state or federal statute. The assault was alleged and complaint dropped. Local authorities decided that "no reasonable prosecutor" would pursue the case.
The FEDERAL allegation is on the basis of a different law - one that makes it a FEDERAL crime to interfere with access to
abortionmaternal health services.And it took them a year to build a case?
In the first place, I wonder if the shoving incident was because of trying to deny a woman access to an abortion or because the escort told Hauck's son his dad was a fag? If that is the FBI's case, that is thin gruel, indeed.
Have the Democrats opened up ppolitical war on Christians?
wrote on 25 Sept 2022, 22:28 last edited by@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
I wonder if the shoving incident was because of trying to deny a woman access to an abortion or because the escort told Hauck's son his dad was a fag?
I commented on that. Certainly, that qualifies as a "Hate Crime," amirite?
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@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
I wonder if the shoving incident was because of trying to deny a woman access to an abortion or because the escort told Hauck's son his dad was a fag?
I commented on that. Certainly, that qualifies as a "Hate Crime," amirite?
wrote on 25 Sept 2022, 22:33 last edited by@George-K said in With Guns Drawn:
@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
I wonder if the shoving incident was because of trying to deny a woman access to an abortion or because the escort told Hauck's son his dad was a fag?
I commented on that. Certainly, that qualifies as a "Hate Crime," amirite?
Only if a Republican sez that.
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wrote on 26 Sept 2022, 22:47 last edited by
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wrote on 27 Sept 2022, 01:00 last edited by
The FBI did come out and say they didn't use a SWAT team. Only 20-25 armed agents.
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wrote on 27 Sept 2022, 01:34 last edited by
@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
The FBI did come out and say they didn't use a SWAT team. Only 20-25 armed agents.
And they admitted firearms were drawn.
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wrote on 27 Sept 2022, 01:49 last edited by
And they denied letting the guy take his rosary.
Tough guys.
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wrote on 27 Sept 2022, 11:44 last edited by
I was told (I do not know) that the FBI was established by Executive Order.
If so, maybe they can be reallocated the same way. Let the crime lab become a separate entity. Give domestic terrorism to Homeland Security, anything offshore to the CIA and law enforcement duties go back to the Marshals.
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I was told (I do not know) that the FBI was established by Executive Order.
If so, maybe they can be reallocated the same way. Let the crime lab become a separate entity. Give domestic terrorism to Homeland Security, anything offshore to the CIA and law enforcement duties go back to the Marshals.
wrote on 27 Sept 2022, 11:48 last edited by George K@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
was told (I do not know) that the FBI was established by Executive Order.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation
President (Theodore) Roosevelt instructed Attorney General Charles Bonaparte to organize an autonomous investigative service that would report only to the Attorney General.
Bonaparte reached out to other agencies, including the U.S. Secret Service, for personnel, investigators in particular. On May 27, 1908, Congress forbade this use of Treasury employees by the Justice Department, citing fears that the new agency would serve as a secret police department Again at Roosevelt's urging, Bonaparte moved to organize a formal Bureau of Investigation, which would then have its own staff of special agents.
The Bureau of Investigation (BOI) was created on July 26, 1908. Attorney General Bonaparte, using Department of Justice expense funds, hired thirty-four people, including some veterans of the Secret Service, to work for a new investigative agency. Its first "chief" (the title is now "director") was Stanley Finch. Bonaparte notified the Congress of these actions in December 1908.
The bureau's first official task was visiting and making surveys of the houses of prostitution in preparation for enforcing the "White Slave Traffic Act" or Mann Act, passed on June 25, 1910. In 1932, the bureau was renamed the United States Bureau of Investigation.
Creation of FBI
The following year, 1933, the BOI was linked to the Bureau of Prohibition and rechristened the Division of Investigation (DOI); it became an independent service within the Department of Justice in 1935.[18] In the same year, its name was officially changed from the Division of Investigation to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
was told (I do not know) that the FBI was established by Executive Order.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation
President (Theodore) Roosevelt instructed Attorney General Charles Bonaparte to organize an autonomous investigative service that would report only to the Attorney General.
Bonaparte reached out to other agencies, including the U.S. Secret Service, for personnel, investigators in particular. On May 27, 1908, Congress forbade this use of Treasury employees by the Justice Department, citing fears that the new agency would serve as a secret police department Again at Roosevelt's urging, Bonaparte moved to organize a formal Bureau of Investigation, which would then have its own staff of special agents.
The Bureau of Investigation (BOI) was created on July 26, 1908. Attorney General Bonaparte, using Department of Justice expense funds, hired thirty-four people, including some veterans of the Secret Service, to work for a new investigative agency. Its first "chief" (the title is now "director") was Stanley Finch. Bonaparte notified the Congress of these actions in December 1908.
The bureau's first official task was visiting and making surveys of the houses of prostitution in preparation for enforcing the "White Slave Traffic Act" or Mann Act, passed on June 25, 1910. In 1932, the bureau was renamed the United States Bureau of Investigation.
Creation of FBI
The following year, 1933, the BOI was linked to the Bureau of Prohibition and rechristened the Division of Investigation (DOI); it became an independent service within the Department of Justice in 1935.[18] In the same year, its name was officially changed from the Division of Investigation to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
wrote on 27 Sept 2022, 11:50 last edited by Doctor Phibes@George-K said in With Guns Drawn:
@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
was told (I do not know) that the FBI was established by Executive Order.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation
President (Theodore) Roosevelt instructed Attorney General Charles Bonaparte to organize an autonomous investigative service that would report only to the Attorney General.
Bonaparte reached out to other agencies, including the U.S. Secret Service, for personnel, investigators in particular. On May 27, 1908, Congress forbade this use of Treasury employees by the Justice Department, citing fears that the new agency would serve as a secret police department Again at Roosevelt's urging, Bonaparte moved to organize a formal Bureau of Investigation, which would then have its own staff of special agents.
Napoleonic Law?
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@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
was told (I do not know) that the FBI was established by Executive Order.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation
President (Theodore) Roosevelt instructed Attorney General Charles Bonaparte to organize an autonomous investigative service that would report only to the Attorney General.
Bonaparte reached out to other agencies, including the U.S. Secret Service, for personnel, investigators in particular. On May 27, 1908, Congress forbade this use of Treasury employees by the Justice Department, citing fears that the new agency would serve as a secret police department Again at Roosevelt's urging, Bonaparte moved to organize a formal Bureau of Investigation, which would then have its own staff of special agents.
The Bureau of Investigation (BOI) was created on July 26, 1908. Attorney General Bonaparte, using Department of Justice expense funds, hired thirty-four people, including some veterans of the Secret Service, to work for a new investigative agency. Its first "chief" (the title is now "director") was Stanley Finch. Bonaparte notified the Congress of these actions in December 1908.
The bureau's first official task was visiting and making surveys of the houses of prostitution in preparation for enforcing the "White Slave Traffic Act" or Mann Act, passed on June 25, 1910. In 1932, the bureau was renamed the United States Bureau of Investigation.
Creation of FBI
The following year, 1933, the BOI was linked to the Bureau of Prohibition and rechristened the Division of Investigation (DOI); it became an independent service within the Department of Justice in 1935.[18] In the same year, its name was officially changed from the Division of Investigation to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
wrote on 27 Sept 2022, 11:56 last edited by@George-K said in With Guns Drawn:
@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
was told (I do not know) that the FBI was established by Executive Order.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation
President (Theodore) Roosevelt instructed Attorney General Charles Bonaparte to organize an autonomous investigative service that would report only to the Attorney General.
Bonaparte reached out to other agencies, including the U.S. Secret Service, for personnel, investigators in particular. On May 27, 1908, Congress forbade this use of Treasury employees by the Justice Department, citing fears that the new agency would serve as a secret police department Again at Roosevelt's urging, Bonaparte moved to organize a formal Bureau of Investigation, which would then have its own staff of special agents.
The Bureau of Investigation (BOI) was created on July 26, 1908. Attorney General Bonaparte, using Department of Justice expense funds, hired thirty-four people, including some veterans of the Secret Service, to work for a new investigative agency. Its first "chief" (the title is now "director") was Stanley Finch. Bonaparte notified the Congress of these actions in December 1908.
The bureau's first official task was visiting and making surveys of the houses of prostitution in preparation for enforcing the "White Slave Traffic Act" or Mann Act, passed on June 25, 1910. In 1932, the bureau was renamed the United States Bureau of Investigation.
Creation of FBI
The following year, 1933, the BOI was linked to the Bureau of Prohibition and rechristened the Division of Investigation (DOI); it became an independent service within the Department of Justice in 1935.[18] In the same year, its name was officially changed from the Division of Investigation to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
Then maybe they can be reorganized.
They need something. Their culture has become toxic and out of control. I thought Ruby Ridge and the Koresh debacle would have reigned them in, but they've gotten worse.
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wrote on 27 Sept 2022, 16:48 last edited by
The guy had offered to come in voluntarily.
Three months before they raided his home with guns drawn.
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wrote on 29 Sept 2022, 00:24 last edited by
Oh, it gets better ...
The Philadelphia DA (no big pro-lifer) investigated and found not enough evidence to bring charges. And ... The plaintiff in the civil suit did not show up in court. Multiple occasions, which is why the suit was dismissed
I heard Hauck's lawyer interviewed this evening and he stated he had contacted the FBI after learning they were considering charges, and offered to bring his client in to talk. They said no. This was three months before the raid.
Hauck has a clean record. He has never shown any tendency to violence.
This is a travesty and a miscarriage of justice. It is an abuse of office.
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