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A 5m masterclass on marketing

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      POTD. Thanks for that Jon.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        "People with passion can make the world better."

        Yeah, Jobs to Scully..."You wanna spend the rest of your life selling sugar water or do you want to make the world better?"

        DIdn't age well for Scully, ultimately, did it?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Nice theory, nice speech by Steve Jobs. But I’m not sure that the theory has been successfully translated into practice, in that even when the “Think Different” campaign was in full swing, I did not think of Apple as a brand that honors or enables people who make a difference, but rather just a brand with products that i personally like to use. :man-shrugging:

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            Nice theory, nice speech by Steve Jobs. But I’m not sure that the theory has been successfully translated into practice, in that even when the “Think Different” campaign was in full swing, I did not think of Apple as a brand that honors or enables people who make a difference, but rather just a brand with products that i personally like to use. :man-shrugging:

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            @Axtremus said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

            Nice theory, nice speech by Steve Jobs. But I’m not sure that the theory has been successfully translated into practice, in that even when the “Think Different” campaign was in full swing, I did not think of Apple as a brand that honors or enables people who make a difference, but rather just a brand with products that i personally like to use. :man-shrugging:

            It's not at all shocking to me that you missed the human element of Jobs' message.

            Please love yourself.

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              He's an excellent speaker, and obviously he has been very successful with his approach. But his biggest success, the iPhone, was successful due to other factors. It was a success because it had a revolutionary way to use a phone and because it was extensible via the app store. The Apple brand may have played a role, too, but if Nokia had released something like the iPhone back then, they would have been just as successful with it. Macs, on the other hand - which is what the speech was about - are still a kind of niche product today. Popular among academics and nerds like me, but rarely ever used within companies as workplace products.

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              • KlausK Klaus

                He's an excellent speaker, and obviously he has been very successful with his approach. But his biggest success, the iPhone, was successful due to other factors. It was a success because it had a revolutionary way to use a phone and because it was extensible via the app store. The Apple brand may have played a role, too, but if Nokia had released something like the iPhone back then, they would have been just as successful with it. Macs, on the other hand - which is what the speech was about - are still a kind of niche product today. Popular among academics and nerds like me, but rarely ever used within companies as workplace products.

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                George K
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                @Klaus said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                He's an excellent speaker, and obviously he has been very successful with his approach.

                The "Steve Jobs reality distortion field" was a real thing. He could sing the praises of a #2 pencil, convincing you that it was the greatest pencil you had ever seen, that it was unlike any other pencil in the world, and that he could charge you $10 for it.

                @Klaus said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                Macs...are still kind of a niche product today.

                They've always been a minority, but to call them "niche" is an overstatement. One source finds that Macs are 23% of enterprise users, and, as you said, academes and nerds are probably higher.

                In the US 15% of all PCs shipped in computers shipped were Macs in the 2nd quarter of 2022.

                Smaller? Sure.

                Niche? Nah.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  It’s dangerous misinformation to say that Macs are niche products. I’m not sure which alt right websites Klaus got that idea from, but IMO there are limits to free speech and that crosses them.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @Klaus said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                    He's an excellent speaker, and obviously he has been very successful with his approach.

                    The "Steve Jobs reality distortion field" was a real thing. He could sing the praises of a #2 pencil, convincing you that it was the greatest pencil you had ever seen, that it was unlike any other pencil in the world, and that he could charge you $10 for it.

                    @Klaus said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                    Macs...are still kind of a niche product today.

                    They've always been a minority, but to call them "niche" is an overstatement. One source finds that Macs are 23% of enterprise users, and, as you said, academes and nerds are probably higher.

                    In the US 15% of all PCs shipped in computers shipped were Macs in the 2nd quarter of 2022.

                    Smaller? Sure.

                    Niche? Nah.

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                    @George-K said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                    Smaller? Sure.
                    Niche? Nah

                    Market share CPUs of Intel+AMD combined: 92%

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                      I've never seen a Mac used in a LIS or HIS.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • KlausK Klaus

                        He's an excellent speaker, and obviously he has been very successful with his approach. But his biggest success, the iPhone, was successful due to other factors. It was a success because it had a revolutionary way to use a phone and because it was extensible via the app store. The Apple brand may have played a role, too, but if Nokia had released something like the iPhone back then, they would have been just as successful with it. Macs, on the other hand - which is what the speech was about - are still a kind of niche product today. Popular among academics and nerds like me, but rarely ever used within companies as workplace products.

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                        @Klaus said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                        Macs, on the other hand - which is what the speech was about - are still a kind of niche product today. Popular among academics and nerds like me, but rarely ever used within companies as workplace products.

                        Uh, no. That's industry specific. In mine, Macs have always been and continue to be the standard workplace products. Many times they're required.

                        Please love yourself.

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                          https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-share-of-windows-7/

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                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            Would 'cult' be more acceptable than 'niche'?

                            Because from what I've seen there's a bunch of 'em working in the Apple store.

                            I was only joking

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              Would 'cult' be more acceptable than 'niche'?

                              Because from what I've seen there's a bunch of 'em working in the Apple store.

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                              @Doctor-Phibes said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                              Would 'cult' be more acceptable than 'niche'?

                              Don't make me post that Ballmer "Developers!" video, birthday boy.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                                Would 'cult' be more acceptable than 'niche'?

                                Don't make me post that Ballmer "Developers!" video, birthday boy.

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                                Aqua Letifer
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                                @George-K said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                                Would 'cult' be more acceptable than 'niche'?

                                Don't make me post that Ballmer "Developers!" video, birthday boy.

                                Which one? There are a few.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                  @George-K said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                                  Would 'cult' be more acceptable than 'niche'?

                                  Don't make me post that Ballmer "Developers!" video, birthday boy.

                                  Which one? There are a few.

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                                  George K
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                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                                  Which one? There are a few.

                                  The "Monkey Dance" is probably the best.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    lol

                                    Platform wars. Making a comeback?

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                                    • markM mark

                                      lol

                                      Platform wars. Making a comeback?

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                                      @mark said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                                      lol

                                      Platform wars. Making a comeback?

                                      Apple won the war. By a lot.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                        @mark said in A 5m masterclass on marketing:

                                        lol

                                        Platform wars. Making a comeback?

                                        Apple won the war. By a lot.

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                                        mark
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                                        @Doctor-Phibes ok. lol

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                                          The "think different" ad was ruined for me once someone (probably on TNCR 15 years ago) pointed out that it should be "think differently".

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