Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.
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Odd. El Paso is a border town. Actually it and Ciudad Juarez are basically one conurbation. What does it even mean that the feds are “dumping” them there? They probably walk out of the processing center with their own two feet.
Seems a bit different than flying them to Martha’s Vineyard under false pretenses as an explicitly political gesture.
@jon-nyc said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
Odd. El Paso is a border town. Actually it and Ciudad Juarez are basically one conurbation. What does it even mean that the feds are “dumping” them there? They probably walk out of the processing center with their own two feet.
Seems a bit different than flying them to Martha’s Vineyard under false pretenses as an explicitly political gesture.
Whose false pretenses? The Vineyard promised migrants sanctuary including housing and employment opportunity. Florida gave them the opportunity to honor their pledge and now the Vineyard is backtracking? Where’s the lie, Jon?
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@LuFins-Dad said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
@Axtremus said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
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What’s funny about it, I mean in particular?
While I understand the point of the political gesture, and I personally would support rejiggering our immigration priorities towards economic contributors, I can’t imagine looking at this and not seeing it as cynically fucking with very vulnerable people and treating them as pawns in a fight they don’t have a dog in.
@jon-nyc said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
@Axtremus said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
BWAAAAHAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAHAAAAA
What’s funny about it, I mean in particular?
While I understand the point of the political gesture, and I personally would support rejiggering our immigration priorities towards economic contributors, I can’t imagine looking at this and not seeing it as cynically fucking with very vulnerable people and treating them as pawns in a fight they don’t have a dog in.
To say that an illegal immigrant didn't pick a fight is absurd. But beyond that, do you understand how leftist immigration policies 'cynically fuck' citizens who pay the price for illegal immigration?
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Fuck this. Desantis and Abbott are doing a hell of a lot more to help these people than the administration and the good leaders of the Vineyard, Chicago, DC, and California are. Cynically fucking with the migrants? That's what the left is doing. Sweeping them under the carpet, hiding them by the thousands in cities around the United States and letting them free in communities and populace that are unaware and unprepared to assist them. All that happens then is these people drift into the shadows of society where they are prey or predators by necessity. That's fucking cruel.
Instead, Abbott and Desantis are publicly sending them to communities that very loudly and publicly said they would welcome them and provide them sanctuary. Great. Here they are. And by doing so publicly we are having this conversation. People are aware of the thousands of migrants suffering and the hundreds of communities suffering because of the failed border and immigration policies. This conversation may or may not lead to positive and lasting change, but at least we are talking about it, and that's the first step. Both sides are using these people to score political points, but at least Desantis and Abbot's approach can actually lead to people addressing the problem.
The Brad
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(Then Mayor) Gavin Newsom had not problem bussing "problematic people" out of his city...
It’s been 14 years since then-mayor Gavin Newsom initiated a program called Homeward Bound, a flattering and uplifting name for a program that gives unsheltered San Franciscans a one-way Greyhound bus ticket out of town and asks them to please never come back. And when you hear wonderful declarations about how many thousands of people the Department of Homelessness has gotten off the streets, realize that nearly half of them are just shipped out on a bus.
To put it in specific numbers, 262 people left town via the program in 2018-19. Of these, 125 were “living with a caretaker, such as a family member, friend or significant other,” and 24 had found their own place. That’s about 150 people off the streets of San Francisco in the last 18 months.
But as the Chronicle explains, that’s only half the story. “Thirty-five people either never showed up at their destinations or disappeared from their caretaker within a month,” says the Chron’s Trisha Thadani. “Six ended up in jail, four were homeless elsewhere in the country, and six returned to San Francisco — where it’s unclear whether they were homeless or housed. One never left.”
Another 61 people did not respond to follow-up calls, and their status is unknown.
The Homeward Bound program represents a mere $1.2 million drop in the bucket of San Francisco’s $285 million annual homeless budget. It helps a maybe a hundred people a year get back on their feet, but its success is modest. “It shouldn’t be counted as a homeless exit,” Coalition on Homelessness executive director Jennifer Friedenbach says frankly to the Chronicle. “It’s a bus ticket out of town.”
That's about $4500 per person.
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The distinction, which to me is critical, is the Venezuelans were lied to and used as a means to a political end.
When Abbot sent buses to DC, NY, and Chicago the people who boarded them knew where they were going and chose to go there. Same with Newsome.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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The distinction, which to me is critical, is the Venezuelans were lied to and used as a means to a political end.
When Abbot sent buses to DC, NY, and Chicago the people who boarded them knew where they were going and chose to go there. Same with Newsome.
@jon-nyc said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
The distinction, which to me is critical, is the Venezuelans were lied to
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As the article says, many of them said they were going to Boston. Perhaps they should have read the flight docs and seen Martha’s Vineyard written there. I’m sure every Venezuelan campesino has heard of it.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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Who will be the first (media outlet, not counting me) to say the illegals might be harmed by Pave Paws radiation?
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As the article says, many of them said they were going to Boston. Perhaps they should have read the flight docs and seen Martha’s Vineyard written there. I’m sure every Venezuelan campesino has heard of it.
@jon-nyc said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
As the article says, many of them said they were going to Boston. Perhaps they should have read the flight docs and seen Martha’s Vineyard written there. I’m sure every Venezuelan campesino has heard of it.
No, the article stated several of the migrants said they were told that they could go to Boston. That’s a different thing than being told they were going to Boston. It’s a $30 bus ride from Falmouth to Boston and a $5 ferry fee…
I could easily see them being told they were going to Martha’s Vineyard, some of them asking “where is that?” and being told that it’s a little south of Boston…
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Miami Venezuelans’ reactions:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article265860501.html
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Miami Venezuelans’ reactions:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article265860501.html
@Axtremus said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
Miami Venezuelans’ reactions:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article265860501.html
The Governor gave a gift to everyone involved.
What a breath of fresh air.
He was willing to do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may.
Good for him.
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Charlie Baker’s response:
Charlie Baker is Massachusetts’ Governor who, like DeSantis, is also a Republican.
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Charlie Baker’s response:
Charlie Baker is Massachusetts’ Governor who, like DeSantis, is also a Republican.
@Axtremus said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
Charlie Baker’s response:
Charlie Baker is Massachusetts’ Governor who, like DeSantis, is also a Republican.
Good for him. Now see him contend with the thousands sent to Florida.
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@Axtremus said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
Charlie Baker’s response:
Charlie Baker is Massachusetts’ Governor who, like DeSantis, is also a Republican.
Good for him. Now see him contend with the thousands sent to Florida.
@LuFins-Dad said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
Now see him contend with the thousands sent to Florida.
Something tells me that Massachusetts will weather the storm of 50 illegal aliens.
Is Massachusetts a sanctuary state? I know Florida isn't.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Fuck this. Desantis and Abbott are doing a hell of a lot more to help these people than the administration and the good leaders of the Vineyard, Chicago, DC, and California are. Cynically fucking with the migrants? That's what the left is doing. Sweeping them under the carpet, hiding them by the thousands in cities around the United States and letting them free in communities and populace that are unaware and unprepared to assist them. All that happens then is these people drift into the shadows of society where they are prey or predators by necessity. That's fucking cruel.
Instead, Abbott and Desantis are publicly sending them to communities that very loudly and publicly said they would welcome them and provide them sanctuary. Great. Here they are. And by doing so publicly we are having this conversation. People are aware of the thousands of migrants suffering and the hundreds of communities suffering because of the failed border and immigration policies. This conversation may or may not lead to positive and lasting change, but at least we are talking about it, and that's the first step. Both sides are using these people to score political points, but at least Desantis and Abbot's approach can actually lead to people addressing the problem.
@LuFins-Dad said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
Fuck this. Desantis and Abbott are doing a hell of a lot more to help these people than the administration and the good leaders of the Vineyard, Chicago, DC, and California are. Cynically fucking with the migrants? That's what the left is doing. Sweeping them under the carpet, hiding them by the thousands in cities around the United States and letting them free in communities and populace that are unaware and unprepared to assist them. All that happens then is these people drift into the shadows of society where they are prey or predators by necessity. That's fucking cruel.
Instead, Abbott and Desantis are publicly sending them to communities that very loudly and publicly said they would welcome them and provide them sanctuary. Great. Here they are. And by doing so publicly we are having this conversation. People are aware of the thousands of migrants suffering and the hundreds of communities suffering because of the failed border and immigration policies. This conversation may or may not lead to positive and lasting change, but at least we are talking about it, and that's the first step. Both sides are using these people to score political points, but at least Desantis and Abbot's approach can actually lead to people addressing the problem.
I agree with @LuFins-Dad
This has ramped up the conversation. From my view, it seems that both sides do a lot talking with bandage approach that maybe feel good for a little bit, but do little to solve the root cause of the problem
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Easy to complain about situations in other areas until they effect you.
@taiwan_girl said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
Easy to complain about situations in other areas until they effect you.
All politics are local.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
Now see him contend with the thousands sent to Florida.
Something tells me that Massachusetts will weather the storm of 50 illegal aliens.
Is Massachusetts a sanctuary state? I know Florida isn't.
@George-K said in Democrat mayors don't want illegal migrants in their towns.:
Is Massachusetts a sanctuary state? I know Florida isn't.
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/sanctuary-cities-massachusetts-migrants-marthas-vineyard/
Massachusetts is not a sanctuary state, but there have been proposals for it on Beacon Hill. A sanctuary city or state is a location that limits cooperation with federal immigration laws. There are eight cities in the state that are sanctuary cities. They are Amherst, Boston, Cambridge, Chelsea, Concord, Newton, Northampton, and Somerville. What they do is legal, and how much they cooperate can vary from city to city.
