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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @Catseye3

    Thank you but I do not for a minute believe I predicted or suggested anything other than call it as I see it. Best to leave this retired former subaltern reservist out of it, although I have been doing volunteer work here with other grey haired former reservists collecting medical supplies and clothing for shipment to Ukraine.

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    Catseye3
    wrote on last edited by
    #796

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

    although I have been doing volunteer work here with other grey haired former reservists collecting medical supplies and clothing for shipment to Ukraine.

    That's great. Good for you, to help relieve shortages.

    And I intended no offense. Just thought I'd give you a chuckle.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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    • Catseye3C Catseye3

      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

      although I have been doing volunteer work here with other grey haired former reservists collecting medical supplies and clothing for shipment to Ukraine.

      That's great. Good for you, to help relieve shortages.

      And I intended no offense. Just thought I'd give you a chuckle.

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #797

      @Catseye3

      No offence taken and I understood and appreciated it to be tongue in cheek.

      Elbows up!

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      • MikM Offline
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        #798

        Good on ya for your efforts on behalf of Ukraine.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Ukraine breaks through to Russian border

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/situation-more-difficult-by-the-hour-ukrainian-forces-break-through-to-russian-border-live-updates/ar-AA11JlD5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8bd1cd790179489b80018fbb45de41d5#interstitial=1

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          Aqua Letifer
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          #799

          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Ukraine breaks through to Russian border

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/situation-more-difficult-by-the-hour-ukrainian-forces-break-through-to-russian-border-live-updates/ar-AA11JlD5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8bd1cd790179489b80018fbb45de41d5#interstitial=1

          That might be bad if they keep going. Especially since they've been armed by basically the entire West.

          Please love yourself.

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            #800

            They won't. There's still a lot of Ukraine to take back.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              They won't. There's still a lot of Ukraine to take back.

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              Renauda
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              #801

              @Mik

              I agree they will not and nor can they afford to cross that border. The Russians will do everything possible however to provoke a border incursion. They will also more than likely claim a border violation in the coming days.

              Already I am hearing that Russian media is claiming that now the whole special operation was from the outset a response to Ukrainian violations of Russian border regions.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #802

                Putin has really taken Russia into a deep, dark hole.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  George K
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                  #803

                  One Twitterer said that Ukraine has to be careful to not outrun its supply lines - that was a fatal mistake that Russia made in the early days of the war.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    One Twitterer said that Ukraine has to be careful to not outrun its supply lines - that was a fatal mistake that Russia made in the early days of the war.

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #804

                    @George-K

                    Yes that is a real danger although in this case the apparent the Russian skeddaddle is mitigating that threat as Ukrainians are retaking the rail hubs.

                    Elbows up!

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                      Pretty hard to win when your army does not believe in the mission.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #806

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #807

                          Escape foiled:

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #808

                            Bull's Eye...

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • Catseye3C Catseye3

                              From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 11 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                              "Ukrainian forces have inflicted a major operational defeat on Russia, recapturing almost all Kharkiv Oblast in a rapid counter-offensive. The Ukrainian success resulted from skillful campaign design and execution from the brilliant Canadian war strategist Renauda -- "

                              No, wait. Correction:

                              " -- from skillful campaign design and execution that included efforts to maximize the impact of Western weapons systems such as HIMARS."

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                              From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 12 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                              "Ukraine’s southern counteroffensive is continuing to have significant impacts on Russian morale and military capabilities in southern Ukraine. Satellite imagery of known Russian positions in Kyselivka, 15km northwest of Kherson City, shows that all but four Russian vehicles have departed from previous forward positions, consistent with rumors that Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) troops have abandoned Kyselivka and moved back towards the Dnipro River.

                              "Kyselivka is an operationally significant location for Russian forces around Kherson City because it is the last major settlement along both the E58 highway and a railway line between current Ukrainian positions and Chornobaivka, the outermost part of Kherson City.

                              "The apparent withdrawal of Russian troops from this position may compromise the Russians’ ability to defend the northwestern outskirts of Kherson City and suggests that Russian troops in this area perceive an imminent threat to their positions."

                              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                Renauda
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                                #810

                                Fractures continue but I can’t help but think Putin has something up his sleeve:

                                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/12/pro-kremlin-figures-voice-frustration-after-ukraine-routs-moscows-forces-a78769

                                Elbows up!

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                                  wrote on last edited by Mik
                                  #811

                                  It would be uncharacteristic for him not to.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    It would be uncharacteristic for him not to.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #812

                                    @Mik

                                    There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.

                                    Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                      From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 12 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                      "Ukraine’s southern counteroffensive is continuing to have significant impacts on Russian morale and military capabilities in southern Ukraine. Satellite imagery of known Russian positions in Kyselivka, 15km northwest of Kherson City, shows that all but four Russian vehicles have departed from previous forward positions, consistent with rumors that Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) troops have abandoned Kyselivka and moved back towards the Dnipro River.

                                      "Kyselivka is an operationally significant location for Russian forces around Kherson City because it is the last major settlement along both the E58 highway and a railway line between current Ukrainian positions and Chornobaivka, the outermost part of Kherson City.

                                      "The apparent withdrawal of Russian troops from this position may compromise the Russians’ ability to defend the northwestern outskirts of Kherson City and suggests that Russian troops in this area perceive an imminent threat to their positions."

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                                      Catseye3
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #813

                                      From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                      "The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

                                      "Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."

                                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        @Mik

                                        There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.

                                        Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #814

                                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        @Mik

                                        There are rumours that he will use this setback as an excuse to order full mobilisation. If true, you can anticipate that he will initiate even more repression internally against real and imagined dissent.

                                        Full mobilisation will also up the ante with NATO.

                                        That worries me greatly because I have no good sense of Ukrainian personnel losses.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                          From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                          "The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

                                          "Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #815

                                          @Catseye3

                                          From a purely pragmatic point of view, however, Putin and his subordinates cannot admit any failure right now, or indeed react in any way to the retreat. They must continue to pretend that everything is going according to plan, and that the troops were simply redeployed in order to focus efforts on the more important prize of the Donbas. For this is what most Russians — tired of war and frightened of a general mobilization — want to hear. It is precisely this passive loyalty of the silent majority that keeps Putin in power. The ultra-patriots may make a lot of noise, but they are in the minority..

                                          Article:

                                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/14/kremlin-must-placate-its-supporters-amid-outrage-over-kharkiv-retreat-a78785

                                          Elbows up!

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