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Hurry Up and Die

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  • CopperC Offline
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    Copper
    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    When the government runs the system, the right of citizens to end their own suffering can be twisted to serve the state.

    Yes, of course.

    That is one of the worst problems with government healthcare.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #3

      Tell that to Ax.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #4

        That’s odd. Does not seem to be an issue in this country for the vast majority of the populace.

        Should it be?

        Probably not.

        But, be my guest. You are free to tell me how it really is where I live.

        Elbows up!

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #5

          Here, you can read up on the author...

          https://reason.com/people/scott-shackford/

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #6

            So? He’s a libertarian. A person of little or no apparent consequence. A bit like a house cat.

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              So? He’s a libertarian. A person of little or no apparent consequence. A bit like a house cat.

              JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #7

              @Renauda said in Hurry Up and Die:

              So? He’s a libertarian. A person of little or no apparent consequence. A bit like a house cat.

              That's interesting. Always thought a libertarian was just a conservative with a wild hair.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @Renauda said in Hurry Up and Die:

                So? He’s a libertarian. A person of little or no apparent consequence. A bit like a house cat.

                That's interesting. Always thought a libertarian was just a conservative with a wild hair.

                RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #8

                @Jolly

                No, libertarians are like house cats. The are convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don’t appreciate or understand.

                And yes, I stole that description.

                In any case libertarians are a dime a dozen around here in Alberta and I don’t hear any of them pissing and moaning about what was in Shakeford’s op-Ed.

                I am sure he knows sweet fuck all about the health care system here let alone MAID.

                Elbows up!

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  That’s odd. Does not seem to be an issue in this country for the vast majority of the populace.

                  Should it be?

                  Probably not.

                  But, be my guest. You are free to tell me how it really is where I live.

                  CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #9

                  Not an issue according to some who know how it really is.

                  Are Canadians being driven to assisted suicide by poverty or healthcare crisis?
                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws

                  ‘Disturbing’: Experts troubled by Canada’s euthanasia laws
                  https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867

                  Medical assistance in dying
                  https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/medical-assistance-dying.html

                  Canada Is Euthanizing Its Sick and Poor. Welcome to World of Government Health Care.
                  https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/08/24/canada-is-euthanizing-its-sick-and-poor-welcome-to-world-of-government-health-care/

                  Canada’s New Euthanasia Laws Carry Upsetting Nazi-Era Echoes, Warns Expert
                  https://www.forbes.com/sites/gusalexiou/2022/08/15/canadas-new-euthanasia-laws-carry-upsetting-nazi-era-echoes-warns-expert/?sh=32e1580fc7b8

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    #10

                    I've noticed a number of articles about this recently, almost all by non-Canadian sources.

                    It's almost as though somebody's got an agenda.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      I've noticed a number of articles about this recently, almost all by non-Canadian sources.

                      It's almost as though somebody's got an agenda.

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #11

                      @Doctor-Phibes

                      Well, Copper and, to a lesser extent, Jolly, seem to be unduly concerned about it.

                      There are concerns about the delivery of health care services here as well but for wholly different reasons than what gets reported abroad.

                      No problem though. I am sure the foreign press and talking heads like Tucker Carlson know best about it all works.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        @Doctor-Phibes

                        Well, Copper and, to a lesser extent, Jolly, seem to be unduly concerned about it.

                        There are concerns about the delivery of health care services here as well but for wholly different reasons than what gets reported abroad.

                        No problem though. I am sure the foreign press and talking heads like Tucker Carlson know best about it all works.

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                        #12

                        @Renauda said in Hurry Up and Die:

                        There are concerns about the delivery of health care services here as well but for wholly different reasons than what gets reported abroad.

                        Yeah, we saw that when we lived in Ontario.

                        I noticed that the perception of healthcare in both the UK and Canada were very different from the way it was talked about in the US, probably because when Americans discuss foreign healthcare they're really talking about US healthcare.

                        If Tucker Carlson appears worried about a foreigner dying, it's mostly so that he can say - SEE, THIS COULD HAPPEN TO YOU WHEN AMERICA BECOMES MORE SOCIALIZED!!!!

                        I was only joking

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                        • CopperC Offline
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                          Copper
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                          If the government is paying for your healthcare, it is in the government's interest for you to die and stop the spending.

                          Why is that so hard for you guys to understand?

                          This is not a special problem in Canada or the UK. It is simple budgeting.

                          Dead people don't consume healthcare. Budget problem solved.

                          That works in any country, and you don't have to live there to understand it.

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                          • CopperC Copper

                            If the government is paying for your healthcare, it is in the government's interest for you to die and stop the spending.

                            Why is that so hard for you guys to understand?

                            This is not a special problem in Canada or the UK. It is simple budgeting.

                            Dead people don't consume healthcare. Budget problem solved.

                            That works in any country, and you don't have to live there to understand it.

                            RenaudaR Offline
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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #14

                            @Copper

                            You know for a bean counter, you are probably right.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • CopperC Copper

                              If the government is paying for your healthcare, it is in the government's interest for you to die and stop the spending.

                              Why is that so hard for you guys to understand?

                              This is not a special problem in Canada or the UK. It is simple budgeting.

                              Dead people don't consume healthcare. Budget problem solved.

                              That works in any country, and you don't have to live there to understand it.

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                              Catseye3
                              wrote on last edited by Catseye3
                              #15

                              @Copper said in Hurry Up and Die:

                              Why is that so hard for you guys to understand?

                              Probably explains why the National Institutes of Health are so huge, and such incalculably enormous amounts of money being spent on disease cure and prevention research -- because the government wants all the sick people to die and save them money.

                              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #16

                                Death proponents point out that between 20-30% of money spent on healthcare makes no difference, because it is being spent at the end stage of life ( last 90 days or so). 75% of Americans die in a nursing home or in a hospital.

                                I can certainly see the cost savings of euthanasia.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • CopperC Offline
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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #17

                                  And don't forget the savings in Social Security.

                                  You don't have to pay dead people.

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                                  • CopperC Copper

                                    And don't forget the savings in Social Security.

                                    You don't have to pay dead people.

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                                    Catseye3
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #18

                                    @Copper said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                    And don't forget the savings in Social Security.

                                    Which will be at least partially offset by all the SS processors being laid off due to attrition and having to go on -- wait for it -- welfare!

                                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #19

                                      When was the last time the feds had a massive lay-off?

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        When was the last time the feds had a massive lay-off?

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                                        Catseye3
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #20

                                        @Jolly
                                        Who said anything about massive?

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #21

                                          If we're talking about the balancing the savings in SS, it's going to have to be massive.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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