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See, now, this just sucks.

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  • AxtremusA Away
    AxtremusA Away
    Axtremus
    wrote on last edited by
    #9

    OK, just the first four lines:

    夏木泛光辉
    巨叶留長影
    森林迎欢意
    百鸟共歌鸣

    Yeap, no word-for-word there. 😄

    Aqua LetiferA MikM 2 Replies Last reply
    • Catseye3C Catseye3

      @Aqua-Letifer said in See, now, this just sucks.:

      I don't know what you have when you do that, but it isn't what you're saying it is.

      I may have missed your point, but your point wasn't that clear until you explained it -- especially to someone like me who knows nothing about the subject.

      So what then? If the written translation doesn't do it justice, maybe you could do a collaboration? Seems like that would be worth the effort.

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      Aqua Letifer
      wrote on last edited by
      #10

      @Catseye3 said in See, now, this just sucks.:

      So what then? If the written translation doesn't do it justice, maybe you could do a collaboration? Seems like that would be worth the effort.

      Well, the thing is, academics always do this. Always. They ruin the verse. On purpose, because it doesn't matter to them. They're obsessed with words and etymology but not what the original was supposed to sound like. It violates the spirit of the thing, and simply because they can't be bothered.

      I'm collaborating all right—with whoever wrote the original. Forget that other guy. 😄

      Please love yourself.

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      • AxtremusA Axtremus

        OK, just the first four lines:

        夏木泛光辉
        巨叶留長影
        森林迎欢意
        百鸟共歌鸣

        Yeap, no word-for-word there. 😄

        Aqua LetiferA Offline
        Aqua LetiferA Offline
        Aqua Letifer
        wrote on last edited by
        #11

        @Axtremus said in See, now, this just sucks.:

        OK, just the first four lines:

        夏木泛光辉
        巨叶留長影
        森林迎欢意
        百鸟共歌鸣

        Yeap, no word-for-word there. 😄

        Looks cool that way, though!

        Please love yourself.

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          @Catseye3 said in See, now, this just sucks.:

          So what then? If the written translation doesn't do it justice, maybe you could do a collaboration? Seems like that would be worth the effort.

          Well, the thing is, academics always do this. Always. They ruin the verse. On purpose, because it doesn't matter to them. They're obsessed with words and etymology but not what the original was supposed to sound like. It violates the spirit of the thing, and simply because they can't be bothered.

          I'm collaborating all right—with whoever wrote the original. Forget that other guy. 😄

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          Catseye3
          wrote on last edited by
          #12

          @Aqua-Letifer said in See, now, this just sucks.:

          They're obsessed with words and etymology but not what the original was supposed to sound like. It violates the spirit of the thing,

          While you were writing the above I was thinking about editing my own post for clarification. By collaboration I was thinking about a collaboration not with someone else who does what you're trying to do -- what for? -- but with someone who specializes in the music of the time.

          If such exists. Is anything known about that music? Even an approximation? Because how would you know if what you come up with is accurate? It's not like they had Memorex back then.

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • Catseye3C Catseye3

            @Aqua-Letifer said in See, now, this just sucks.:

            They're obsessed with words and etymology but not what the original was supposed to sound like. It violates the spirit of the thing,

            While you were writing the above I was thinking about editing my own post for clarification. By collaboration I was thinking about a collaboration not with someone else who does what you're trying to do -- what for? -- but with someone who specializes in the music of the time.

            If such exists. Is anything known about that music? Even an approximation? Because how would you know if what you come up with is accurate? It's not like they had Memorex back then.

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            Aqua LetiferA Offline
            Aqua Letifer
            wrote on last edited by
            #13

            @Catseye3 said in See, now, this just sucks.:

            @Aqua-Letifer said in See, now, this just sucks.:

            They're obsessed with words and etymology but not what the original was supposed to sound like. It violates the spirit of the thing,

            While you were writing the above I was thinking about editing my own post for clarification. By collaboration I was thinking about a collaboration not with someone else who does what you're trying to do -- what for? -- but with someone who specializes in the music of the time.

            If such exists. Is anything known about that music? Even an approximation? Because how would you know if what you come up with is accurate? It's not like they had Memorex back then.

            Well, here's the thing:

            Life back then wasn't like today. There were many regional differences when it came to ballads like this. Minstrels in your town might do it one way, minstrels in others might have used a different tune and altered the words a little or a lot.

            Whoever wrote this particular version probably has his music lost to time, but it's a pretty straightforward ballad—period music could easily be attached to it.

            As it happens, I know a handful of folks who could help me out with that and might even be interested in doing so. I might inquire.

            Please love yourself.

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            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
              #14

              @Aqua-Letifer said in See, now, this just sucks.:

              This is, as far as anyone's aware, the oldest recorded story of Robin Hood.
              https://mariahmccune.weebly.com/uploads/1/9/2/8/19282013/robin_hood_and_the_monk.pdf

              First you give us Kevin Costner, and now this!

              Will it never end?

              Of course, it could be worse - you could let the Brits have a go:

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_(1991_British_film)

              They filmed this monstrosity where I got married!

              I was only joking

              Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
              • AxtremusA Away
                AxtremusA Away
                Axtremus
                wrote on last edited by
                #15

                The only Robin Hood live action film that I remember seeing start to finish is this:
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood:_Men_in_Tights

                I found it quite entertaining.

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  OK, just the first four lines:

                  夏木泛光辉
                  巨叶留長影
                  森林迎欢意
                  百鸟共歌鸣

                  Yeap, no word-for-word there. 😄

                  MikM Offline
                  MikM Offline
                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #16

                  @Axtremus said in See, now, this just sucks.:

                  OK, just the first four lines:

                  夏木泛光辉
                  巨叶留長影
                  森林迎欢意
                  百鸟共歌鸣

                  Yeap, no word-for-word there. 😄

                  Poetry for squares.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

                  AxtremusA 1 Reply Last reply
                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #17

                    That’s awesome Aqua

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • MikM Mik

                      @Axtremus said in See, now, this just sucks.:

                      OK, just the first four lines:

                      夏木泛光辉
                      巨叶留長影
                      森林迎欢意
                      百鸟共歌鸣

                      Yeap, no word-for-word there. 😄

                      Poetry for squares.

                      AxtremusA Away
                      AxtremusA Away
                      Axtremus
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #18

                      @Mik said in See, now, this just sucks.:

                      @Axtremus said in See, now, this just sucks.:

                      OK, just the first four lines:

                      夏木泛光辉
                      巨叶留長影
                      森林迎欢意
                      百鸟共歌鸣

                      Yeap, no word-for-word there. 😄

                      Poetry for squares.

                      五言绝句,five characters (five syllables) per line, four lines. It’s a classic form used as early as in the 汉 Han Dynasty and popularized in the 唐 Tang Dynasty.

                      Catseye3C 1 Reply Last reply
                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        @Mik said in See, now, this just sucks.:

                        @Axtremus said in See, now, this just sucks.:

                        OK, just the first four lines:

                        夏木泛光辉
                        巨叶留長影
                        森林迎欢意
                        百鸟共歌鸣

                        Yeap, no word-for-word there. 😄

                        Poetry for squares.

                        五言绝句,five characters (five syllables) per line, four lines. It’s a classic form used as early as in the 汉 Han Dynasty and popularized in the 唐 Tang Dynasty.

                        Catseye3C Offline
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                        Catseye3
                        wrote on last edited by Catseye3
                        #19

                        @Axtremus

                        Tangs for explaining.
                        ^

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                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in See, now, this just sucks.:

                          This is, as far as anyone's aware, the oldest recorded story of Robin Hood.
                          https://mariahmccune.weebly.com/uploads/1/9/2/8/19282013/robin_hood_and_the_monk.pdf

                          First you give us Kevin Costner, and now this!

                          Will it never end?

                          Of course, it could be worse - you could let the Brits have a go:

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_(1991_British_film)

                          They filmed this monstrosity where I got married!

                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
                          Aqua Letifer
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #20

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in See, now, this just sucks.:

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in See, now, this just sucks.:

                          This is, as far as anyone's aware, the oldest recorded story of Robin Hood.
                          

                          https://mariahmccune.weebly.com/uploads/1/9/2/8/19282013/robin_hood_and_the_monk.pdf

                          First you give us Kevin Costner, and now this!

                          Will it never end?

                          Of course, it could be worse - you could let the Brits have a go:

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_(1991_British_film)

                          They filmed this monstrosity where I got married!

                          😂

                          Please love yourself.

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