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  • George KG George K

    @jon-nyc you have a problem with attorney-client privilege?

    As I said, an impartial special master is commonly appointed to these situations to see what qualifies for A-C priv and what does not.

    Why are you fishing, AG Garland?

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    Catseye3
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    @George-K

    Is he fishing? There are documents out of federal custody that shouldn't be. The feds want them back.

    If these are documents that do not belong to Trump once he has left office, then how would attorney-client privilege even apply?

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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    • Catseye3C Catseye3

      @George-K

      Is he fishing? There are documents out of federal custody that shouldn't be. The feds want them back.

      If these are documents that do not belong to Trump once he has left office, then how would attorney-client privilege even apply?

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      @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      Is he fishing? There are documents out of federal custody that shouldn't be. The feds want them back.

      Yeah, IF they belong in federal custody. That's the allegation by the DOJ.

      At least he didn't smash them with a hammer. Only flushed them down a toilet (low-tech guy, you know).

      If these are documents that do not belong to Trump once he has left office, then how would attorney-client privilege even apply?

      Trump is claiming that OTHER documents, which belong under attorney-client privilege were seized. I don't know if that's true, of course, because Trump, but his demand for a special master is reasonable.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

        Is he fishing? There are documents out of federal custody that shouldn't be. The feds want them back.

        Yeah, IF they belong in federal custody. That's the allegation by the DOJ.

        At least he didn't smash them with a hammer. Only flushed them down a toilet (low-tech guy, you know).

        If these are documents that do not belong to Trump once he has left office, then how would attorney-client privilege even apply?

        Trump is claiming that OTHER documents, which belong under attorney-client privilege were seized. I don't know if that's true, of course, because Trump, but his demand for a special master is reasonable.

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        @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

        Yeah, IF they belong in federal custody. That's the allegation by the DOJ.

        Oh geez. Didn't this whole megillah start because of NORA's claim that they do? Are we really going there?

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Let’s wait. Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

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          @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          Let’s wait.

          You know I'm no Trump fan. Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are, and wondering if he has a case here.

          Do I put it beyond him to have (c )lassified materials in his possession? Absolutely not.

          Was it "poor judgment" or actually an attempt to commit a crime?
          No idea.

          Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

          I'm into my first (cheap) Scotch of the day...please explain?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            I don't think there has been a single President in the last century that probably didn't have some Secret and TS documents wander home with him.

            It's not that uncommon for Congress Critters to have such a document in their possession.

            Apply the law fairly and evenly.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • George KG George K

              @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

              Let’s wait.

              You know I'm no Trump fan. Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are, and wondering if he has a case here.

              Do I put it beyond him to have (c )lassified materials in his possession? Absolutely not.

              Was it "poor judgment" or actually an attempt to commit a crime?
              No idea.

              Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

              I'm into my first (cheap) Scotch of the day...please explain?

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              @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

              Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are

              As much as it sickens me to say so, I agree his rights must be safeguarded. But his rights as important as they are, are not as vital as the main thing: namely, those documents. They cannot be left out of federal custody, especially when their contents are not known.

              Knowing Trump, they could be anything. It would not be surprising if they turned out to be of no importance. Boy, what fodder that would be for Trump, eh?

              Why in hell did he even take them with him, anyway? Could it be for the purpose of embarrassing the feds and feeding his base's frenzy? At no cost to him?

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
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                It all has to be jealously guarded. if he gets prosecuted there will be a whole lot of 'splainin to do as to why Hillary was not.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • George KG George K

                  @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  Let’s wait.

                  You know I'm no Trump fan. Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are, and wondering if he has a case here.

                  Do I put it beyond him to have (c )lassified materials in his possession? Absolutely not.

                  Was it "poor judgment" or actually an attempt to commit a crime?
                  No idea.

                  Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

                  I'm into my first (cheap) Scotch of the day...please explain?

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                  @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

                  I'm into my first (cheap) Scotch of the day...please explain?

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                  • MikM Mik

                    It all has to be jealously guarded. if he gets prosecuted there will be a whole lot of 'splainin to do as to why Hillary was not.

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                    @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    It all has to be jealously guarded. if he gets prosecuted there will be a whole lot of 'splainin to do as to why Hillary was not.

                    She cooperated and turned over the servers and didn’t lie about retaining anything.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • CopperC Copper

                      @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

                      I'm into my first (cheap) Scotch of the day...please explain?

                      5adb8b93-5ad6-4199-a3f8-5d3ebd99a602-image.png

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                      @Copper said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

                      I'm into my first (cheap) Scotch of the day...please explain?

                      5adb8b93-5ad6-4199-a3f8-5d3ebd99a602-image.png

                      Go to 1:30.

                      Link to video

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        @jon-nyc , I am ashamed to admit it, I've never seen that movie.

                        Another not Trump fan, David French says, be consistent.

                        Trump lacks any real excuse for his behavior for retaining classified information, but Clinton had no excuse either. Remember, she used a private server to discuss matters that were classified at the highest levels, and she was seasoned enough to know exactly what she was doing.

                        Trump’s defense is as weak as Hillary’s. His team is reportedly claiming that he had a “standing order” to declassify all documents that he took to Mar-a-Lago, but as Philip Klein notes in National Review, this argument is “patently absurd”:

                        The bottom line is deeply disheartening. Two of the most powerful and prominent politicians in the United States engaged in conduct that virtually any other American would be prosecuted for. They have placed the system under great strain, and the system is buckling.

                        It remains to be seen whether Donald Trump’s conduct was so much worse than Hillary Clinton’s that prosecution is both legal and just. Indeed the entire issue may be so fraught with peril that the DOJ may decide to merely seize the documents without any further legal proceedings.

                        But if Trump did break the law and is not prosecuted, we can look back at a pivotal moment in history and know why. On July 5, 2016, the FBI set an extraordinary standard for prosecuting powerful people for mishandling our nation’s most precious secrets, and we shouldn’t change that standard for Donald Trump.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          #295

                          lock 'em up!

                          I was only joking

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            lock 'em up!

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                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            lock 'em up!

                            Fair enough.

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                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Doctor Phibes
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                              Both of them have lived pretty much their entire lives looking down on the little people, and that playing by the rules is something for lesser mortals.

                              Anybody naive enough to think otherwise deserves what they get.

                              I was only joking

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                Both of them have lived pretty much their entire lives looking down on the little people, and that playing by the rules is something for lesser mortals.

                                Anybody naive enough to think otherwise deserves what they get.

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                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                Both of them have lived pretty much their entire lives looking down on the little people, and that playing by the rules is something for lesser mortals.

                                Anybody naive enough to think otherwise deserves what they get.

                                Absolutely. The problem is, as French points out, is why should one not deserve what they get and the other does?

                                As @jon-nyc points out, we don't know enough, yet, about what was alleged, what allegedly secret documents were in his possession, and whether anything not under the warrant may have been seized.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  Both of them have lived pretty much their entire lives looking down on the little people, and that playing by the rules is something for lesser mortals.

                                  Anybody naive enough to think otherwise deserves what they get.

                                  Absolutely. The problem is, as French points out, is why should one not deserve what they get and the other does?

                                  As @jon-nyc points out, we don't know enough, yet, about what was alleged, what allegedly secret documents were in his possession, and whether anything not under the warrant may have been seized.

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                                  @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  Both of them have lived pretty much their entire lives looking down on the little people, and that playing by the rules is something for lesser mortals.

                                  Anybody naive enough to think otherwise deserves what they get.

                                  Absolutely. The problem is, as French points out, is why should one not deserve what they get and the other does?

                                  As @jon-nyc points out, we don't know enough, yet, about what was alleged, what allegedly secret documents were in his possession, and whether anything not under the warrant may have been seized.

                                  We don't know what Trump did or didn't do, and we don't know how much he's being hiding.

                                  Pointing out that there's a discrepancy in how people are treated is interesting, but it's not a very good legal defence. If Trump was a poor black guy living in the projects, they'd have broken down his door at 2am and shot him when he tried to defend himself.

                                  (I'm not making a racial point - he wouldn't do too well if he was white trash without money, either)

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    Both of them have lived pretty much their entire lives looking down on the little people, and that playing by the rules is something for lesser mortals.

                                    Anybody naive enough to think otherwise deserves what they get.

                                    Absolutely. The problem is, as French points out, is why should one not deserve what they get and the other does?

                                    As @jon-nyc points out, we don't know enough, yet, about what was alleged, what allegedly secret documents were in his possession, and whether anything not under the warrant may have been seized.

                                    We don't know what Trump did or didn't do, and we don't know how much he's being hiding.

                                    Pointing out that there's a discrepancy in how people are treated is interesting, but it's not a very good legal defence. If Trump was a poor black guy living in the projects, they'd have broken down his door at 2am and shot him when he tried to defend himself.

                                    (I'm not making a racial point - he wouldn't do too well if he was white trash without money, either)

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                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    We don't know what Trump did or didn't do, and we don't know how much he's being hiding.

                                    IF he's hiding (giving the benefit of the doubt, LOL). But your point stands. We just don't know - it hasn't even been a week.

                                    Pointing out that there's a discrepancy in how people are treated is interesting, but it's not a very good legal defence.

                                    No, it's not. and it won't wash in court, to be sure, if it ever gets there. With luck a friendly attorney general will prevent that...

                                    But you can't say that there is such a discrepancy while, in the same breath, alleging, as Garland did, that "no one is above the law." If some are above the law, then everyone is above the law.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      We don't know what Trump did or didn't do, and we don't know how much he's being hiding.

                                      IF he's hiding (giving the benefit of the doubt, LOL). But your point stands. We just don't know - it hasn't even been a week.

                                      Pointing out that there's a discrepancy in how people are treated is interesting, but it's not a very good legal defence.

                                      No, it's not. and it won't wash in court, to be sure, if it ever gets there. With luck a friendly attorney general will prevent that...

                                      But you can't say that there is such a discrepancy while, in the same breath, alleging, as Garland did, that "no one is above the law." If some are above the law, then everyone is above the law.

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                                      @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      But you can't say that there is such a discrepancy while, in the same breath, alleging, as Garland did, that "no one is above the law." If some are above the law, then everyone is above the law.

                                      In that case, the fault is not in raiding Mar-a-Lago, but arguably in not doing enough to go after Hillary.

                                      Wasn't the particular law that Trump is being investigated tightened up under his Presidency?

                                      I was only joking

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                                        Again even without knowing what was in the documents uncovered by the search, the situations aren’t comparable.

                                        Hilary turned over the servers and didn’t hold anything back and lie about it.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          Again even without knowing what was in the documents uncovered by the search, the situations aren’t comparable.

                                          Hilary turned over the servers and didn’t hold anything back and lie about it.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          Again even without knowing what was in the documents uncovered by the search, the situations aren’t comparable.

                                          Hilary turned over the servers and didn’t hold anything back and lie about it.

                                          I agree with you, but even if you believe that Hillary broke the law, it's still a crap defence.

                                          "So little Donny, if Hillary jumped in the river, would you jump in the river too....?"

                                          I was only joking

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