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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #279

    Fishing expedition.

    They already knew the boxes were there. They had already asked for a padlock to be installed on the storeroom door.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      Fishing expedition.

      They already knew the boxes were there. They had already asked for a padlock to be installed on the storeroom door.

      George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #280

      @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      Fishing expedition.

      They already knew the boxes were there. They had already asked for a padlock to be installed on the storeroom door.

      Trumps people are claiming that the FBI seized privileged attorney-client documents. If there were such a claim, DOJ should appoint a "special master" to determine what's privileged and what is not.

      FBI - "Nope, not gonna happen."

      The FBI seized boxes containing records covered by attorney-client privilege and potentially executive privilege during its raid of former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News, adding that the Justice Department opposed Trump lawyers' request for the appointment of an independent, special master to review the records.

      Sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News Saturday that the former president’s team was informed that boxes labeled A-14, A-26, A-43, A-13, A-33, and a set of documents—all seen on the final page of the FBI’s property receipt —contained information covered by attorney-client privilege.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
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        #281

        Watcha hiding there, Donny boy?

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Watcha hiding there, Donny boy?

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #282

          @jon-nyc you have a problem with attorney-client privilege?

          As I said, an impartial special master is commonly appointed to these situations to see what qualifies for A-C priv and what does not.

          Why are you fishing, AG Garland?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #283

            Let’s wait. Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • George KG George K

              @jon-nyc you have a problem with attorney-client privilege?

              As I said, an impartial special master is commonly appointed to these situations to see what qualifies for A-C priv and what does not.

              Why are you fishing, AG Garland?

              Catseye3C Offline
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              Catseye3
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              #284

              @George-K

              Is he fishing? There are documents out of federal custody that shouldn't be. The feds want them back.

              If these are documents that do not belong to Trump once he has left office, then how would attorney-client privilege even apply?

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                @George-K

                Is he fishing? There are documents out of federal custody that shouldn't be. The feds want them back.

                If these are documents that do not belong to Trump once he has left office, then how would attorney-client privilege even apply?

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                George K
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                #285

                @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                Is he fishing? There are documents out of federal custody that shouldn't be. The feds want them back.

                Yeah, IF they belong in federal custody. That's the allegation by the DOJ.

                At least he didn't smash them with a hammer. Only flushed them down a toilet (low-tech guy, you know).

                If these are documents that do not belong to Trump once he has left office, then how would attorney-client privilege even apply?

                Trump is claiming that OTHER documents, which belong under attorney-client privilege were seized. I don't know if that's true, of course, because Trump, but his demand for a special master is reasonable.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  Is he fishing? There are documents out of federal custody that shouldn't be. The feds want them back.

                  Yeah, IF they belong in federal custody. That's the allegation by the DOJ.

                  At least he didn't smash them with a hammer. Only flushed them down a toilet (low-tech guy, you know).

                  If these are documents that do not belong to Trump once he has left office, then how would attorney-client privilege even apply?

                  Trump is claiming that OTHER documents, which belong under attorney-client privilege were seized. I don't know if that's true, of course, because Trump, but his demand for a special master is reasonable.

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                  Catseye3
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                  @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  Yeah, IF they belong in federal custody. That's the allegation by the DOJ.

                  Oh geez. Didn't this whole megillah start because of NORA's claim that they do? Are we really going there?

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Let’s wait. Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

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                    George K
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                    #287

                    @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    Let’s wait.

                    You know I'm no Trump fan. Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are, and wondering if he has a case here.

                    Do I put it beyond him to have (c )lassified materials in his possession? Absolutely not.

                    Was it "poor judgment" or actually an attempt to commit a crime?
                    No idea.

                    Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

                    I'm into my first (cheap) Scotch of the day...please explain?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #288

                      I don't think there has been a single President in the last century that probably didn't have some Secret and TS documents wander home with him.

                      It's not that uncommon for Congress Critters to have such a document in their possession.

                      Apply the law fairly and evenly.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • George KG George K

                        @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                        Let’s wait.

                        You know I'm no Trump fan. Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are, and wondering if he has a case here.

                        Do I put it beyond him to have (c )lassified materials in his possession? Absolutely not.

                        Was it "poor judgment" or actually an attempt to commit a crime?
                        No idea.

                        Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

                        I'm into my first (cheap) Scotch of the day...please explain?

                        Catseye3C Offline
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                        Catseye3
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                        #289

                        @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                        Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are

                        As much as it sickens me to say so, I agree his rights must be safeguarded. But his rights as important as they are, are not as vital as the main thing: namely, those documents. They cannot be left out of federal custody, especially when their contents are not known.

                        Knowing Trump, they could be anything. It would not be surprising if they turned out to be of no importance. Boy, what fodder that would be for Trump, eh?

                        Why in hell did he even take them with him, anyway? Could it be for the purpose of embarrassing the feds and feeding his base's frenzy? At no cost to him?

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
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                          It all has to be jealously guarded. if he gets prosecuted there will be a whole lot of 'splainin to do as to why Hillary was not.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • George KG George K

                            @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            Let’s wait.

                            You know I'm no Trump fan. Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are, and wondering if he has a case here.

                            Do I put it beyond him to have (c )lassified materials in his possession? Absolutely not.

                            Was it "poor judgment" or actually an attempt to commit a crime?
                            No idea.

                            Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

                            I'm into my first (cheap) Scotch of the day...please explain?

                            CopperC Offline
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                            Copper
                            wrote on last edited by Copper
                            #291

                            @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

                            I'm into my first (cheap) Scotch of the day...please explain?

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                            • MikM Mik

                              It all has to be jealously guarded. if he gets prosecuted there will be a whole lot of 'splainin to do as to why Hillary was not.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #292

                              @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              It all has to be jealously guarded. if he gets prosecuted there will be a whole lot of 'splainin to do as to why Hillary was not.

                              She cooperated and turned over the servers and didn’t lie about retaining anything.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • CopperC Copper

                                @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

                                I'm into my first (cheap) Scotch of the day...please explain?

                                5adb8b93-5ad6-4199-a3f8-5d3ebd99a602-image.png

                                jon-nycJ Offline
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                                jon-nyc
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                                #293

                                @Copper said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                Six, two, and even the crime-fraud exception applies here.

                                I'm into my first (cheap) Scotch of the day...please explain?

                                5adb8b93-5ad6-4199-a3f8-5d3ebd99a602-image.png

                                Go to 1:30.

                                Link to video

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
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                                  #294

                                  @jon-nyc , I am ashamed to admit it, I've never seen that movie.

                                  Another not Trump fan, David French says, be consistent.

                                  Trump lacks any real excuse for his behavior for retaining classified information, but Clinton had no excuse either. Remember, she used a private server to discuss matters that were classified at the highest levels, and she was seasoned enough to know exactly what she was doing.

                                  Trump’s defense is as weak as Hillary’s. His team is reportedly claiming that he had a “standing order” to declassify all documents that he took to Mar-a-Lago, but as Philip Klein notes in National Review, this argument is “patently absurd”:

                                  The bottom line is deeply disheartening. Two of the most powerful and prominent politicians in the United States engaged in conduct that virtually any other American would be prosecuted for. They have placed the system under great strain, and the system is buckling.

                                  It remains to be seen whether Donald Trump’s conduct was so much worse than Hillary Clinton’s that prosecution is both legal and just. Indeed the entire issue may be so fraught with peril that the DOJ may decide to merely seize the documents without any further legal proceedings.

                                  But if Trump did break the law and is not prosecuted, we can look back at a pivotal moment in history and know why. On July 5, 2016, the FBI set an extraordinary standard for prosecuting powerful people for mishandling our nation’s most precious secrets, and we shouldn’t change that standard for Donald Trump.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                                    Doctor Phibes
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                                    #295

                                    lock 'em up!

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                      lock 'em up!

                                      George KG Offline
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                                      George K
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                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      lock 'em up!

                                      Fair enough.

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                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                                        Doctor Phibes
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                                        Both of them have lived pretty much their entire lives looking down on the little people, and that playing by the rules is something for lesser mortals.

                                        Anybody naive enough to think otherwise deserves what they get.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                          Both of them have lived pretty much their entire lives looking down on the little people, and that playing by the rules is something for lesser mortals.

                                          Anybody naive enough to think otherwise deserves what they get.

                                          George KG Offline
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                                          George K
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                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          Both of them have lived pretty much their entire lives looking down on the little people, and that playing by the rules is something for lesser mortals.

                                          Anybody naive enough to think otherwise deserves what they get.

                                          Absolutely. The problem is, as French points out, is why should one not deserve what they get and the other does?

                                          As @jon-nyc points out, we don't know enough, yet, about what was alleged, what allegedly secret documents were in his possession, and whether anything not under the warrant may have been seized.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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