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Taking a knee is disrespectful, that is the point.
It is definitely not meaningless.
The player who doesn't kneel will be shunned by teammates and hated by ESPN.
The players who kneel will be derided by fans, if they ever come back.
Taking a knee is disrespectful, that is the point.
It is definitely not meaningless.
The player who doesn't kneel will be shunned by teammates and hated by ESPN.
The players who kneel will be derided by fans, if they ever come back.
I don’t know, I think a good compromise is a series of “anthems” prior to every event where every in and out group gets a three minute moment. We can celebrate all the religions and all the points of view and all the people in the stands can watch. Rather than one event that show disgust of another side we can have multiple mini events to celebrate. Heck I might even have a bunch of floats go around in a circle around the edge of any field.
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Hey, at least they're not kneeling on somebody's neck.
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So who is it disrespectful to?
By the way, the kneeling idea was given to Kaepernick by several retired NFL players that were also military vets... That's why he stopped sitting on the bench.
The Brad
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I can't really think of a milder form of protest.
And when did it become a requirement that protest had to be respectful? Isn't the whole point of it that they're pointing something they're deeply unhappy about?
It certainly beats throwing bricks.
I was only joking
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It took them four years to find an example that really worked, that everyone could agree on. That says to me racism is not nearly the problem claimed.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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I can't really think of a milder form of protest.
And when did it become a requirement that protest had to be respectful? Isn't the whole point of it that they're pointing something they're deeply unhappy about?
It certainly beats throwing bricks.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The NFL:
I can't really think of a milder form of protest.
And when did it become a requirement that protest had to be respectful? Isn't the whole point of it that they're pointing something they're deeply unhappy about?
It certainly beats throwing bricks.
I think the kneeling is meant to signify that you feel appropriate feels. As it happens, the kneeling also makes some people feel other feels which they find appropriate. I am not claiming there is a right or wrong side here, it's just feeling of feels and I'm not going to judge. The interesting part is that the NFL has to cater to its fans and players, and they have opposing feels around this issue.
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It took them four years to find an example that really worked, that everyone could agree on. That says to me racism is not nearly the problem claimed.
It took them four years to find an example that really worked, that everyone could agree on. That says to me racism is not nearly the problem claimed.
We’re not disagreeing on that part. Hell, I’m not sure that this was a racist event. I think it was likely just a jag off that would have done the same with a Caucasian, Asian, or Hispanic suspect.
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So who is it disrespectful to?
By the way, the kneeling idea was given to Kaepernick by several retired NFL players that were also military vets... That's why he stopped sitting on the bench.
@LuFins-Dad said in The NFL:
So who is it disrespectful to?
It's the law
When the U.S. national anthem was first recognized by law in 1931, there was no prescription as to behavior during its playing. On June 22, 1942, the law was revised indicating that those in uniform should salute during its playing, while others should simply stand at attention, men removing their hats. The same code also required that women should place their hands over their hearts when the flag is displayed during the playing of the national anthem, but not if the flag was not present. On December 23, 1942, the law was again revised instructing men and women to stand at attention and face in the direction of the music when it was played. That revision also directed men and women to place their hands over their hearts only if the flag was displayed. Those in uniform were required to salute. On July 7, 1976, the law was simplified. Men and women were instructed to stand with their hands over their hearts, men removing their hats, irrespective of whether or not the flag was displayed and those in uniform saluting. On August 12, 1998, the law was rewritten keeping the same instructions, but differentiating between "those in uniform" and "members of the Armed Forces and veterans" who were both instructed to salute during the playing whether or not the flag was displayed.
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If the law says you have to do something, then doing it becomes essentially meaningless, at least on an individual basis.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The NFL:
So who is it disrespectful to?
It's the law
When the U.S. national anthem was first recognized by law in 1931, there was no prescription as to behavior during its playing. On June 22, 1942, the law was revised indicating that those in uniform should salute during its playing, while others should simply stand at attention, men removing their hats. The same code also required that women should place their hands over their hearts when the flag is displayed during the playing of the national anthem, but not if the flag was not present. On December 23, 1942, the law was again revised instructing men and women to stand at attention and face in the direction of the music when it was played. That revision also directed men and women to place their hands over their hearts only if the flag was displayed. Those in uniform were required to salute. On July 7, 1976, the law was simplified. Men and women were instructed to stand with their hands over their hearts, men removing their hats, irrespective of whether or not the flag was displayed and those in uniform saluting. On August 12, 1998, the law was rewritten keeping the same instructions, but differentiating between "those in uniform" and "members of the Armed Forces and veterans" who were both instructed to salute during the playing whether or not the flag was displayed.
@LuFins-Dad said in The NFL:
So who is it disrespectful to?
It's the law
When the U.S. national anthem was first recognized by law in 1931, there was no prescription as to behavior during its playing. On June 22, 1942, the law was revised indicating that those in uniform should salute during its playing, while others should simply stand at attention, men removing their hats. The same code also required that women should place their hands over their hearts when the flag is displayed during the playing of the national anthem, but not if the flag was not present. On December 23, 1942, the law was again revised instructing men and women to stand at attention and face in the direction of the music when it was played. That revision also directed men and women to place their hands over their hearts only if the flag was displayed. Those in uniform were required to salute. On July 7, 1976, the law was simplified. Men and women were instructed to stand with their hands over their hearts, men removing their hats, irrespective of whether or not the flag was displayed and those in uniform saluting. On August 12, 1998, the law was rewritten keeping the same instructions, but differentiating between "those in uniform" and "members of the Armed Forces and veterans" who were both instructed to salute during the playing whether or not the flag was displayed.
I'm so glad that you brought that up. It carries the same weight as the US Flag Code -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding or drapery
The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever.
It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard.How many people bitching about the Kaepernick Protest wear Flag T-Shirts or Hats, Have Flag napkins and plates for the 4th of July and tailgating, and likely have flag pillows?
The Brad
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This is far more offensive to me -
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@LuFins-Dad said in The NFL:
So who is it disrespectful to?
It's the law
When the U.S. national anthem was first recognized by law in 1931, there was no prescription as to behavior during its playing. On June 22, 1942, the law was revised indicating that those in uniform should salute during its playing, while others should simply stand at attention, men removing their hats. The same code also required that women should place their hands over their hearts when the flag is displayed during the playing of the national anthem, but not if the flag was not present. On December 23, 1942, the law was again revised instructing men and women to stand at attention and face in the direction of the music when it was played. That revision also directed men and women to place their hands over their hearts only if the flag was displayed. Those in uniform were required to salute. On July 7, 1976, the law was simplified. Men and women were instructed to stand with their hands over their hearts, men removing their hats, irrespective of whether or not the flag was displayed and those in uniform saluting. On August 12, 1998, the law was rewritten keeping the same instructions, but differentiating between "those in uniform" and "members of the Armed Forces and veterans" who were both instructed to salute during the playing whether or not the flag was displayed.
I'm so glad that you brought that up. It carries the same weight as the US Flag Code -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding or drapery
The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever.
It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard.How many people bitching about the Kaepernick Protest wear Flag T-Shirts or Hats, Have Flag napkins and plates for the 4th of July and tailgating, and likely have flag pillows?
@LuFins-Dad said in The NFL:
@LuFins-Dad said in The NFL:
So who is it disrespectful to?
It's the law
When the U.S. national anthem was first recognized by law in 1931, there was no prescription as to behavior during its playing. On June 22, 1942, the law was revised indicating that those in uniform should salute during its playing, while others should simply stand at attention, men removing their hats. The same code also required that women should place their hands over their hearts when the flag is displayed during the playing of the national anthem, but not if the flag was not present. On December 23, 1942, the law was again revised instructing men and women to stand at attention and face in the direction of the music when it was played. That revision also directed men and women to place their hands over their hearts only if the flag was displayed. Those in uniform were required to salute. On July 7, 1976, the law was simplified. Men and women were instructed to stand with their hands over their hearts, men removing their hats, irrespective of whether or not the flag was displayed and those in uniform saluting. On August 12, 1998, the law was rewritten keeping the same instructions, but differentiating between "those in uniform" and "members of the Armed Forces and veterans" who were both instructed to salute during the playing whether or not the flag was displayed.
I'm so glad that you brought that up. It carries the same weight as the US Flag Code -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding or drapery
The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever.
It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard.How many people bitching about the Kaepernick Protest wear Flag T-Shirts or Hats, Have Flag napkins and plates for the 4th of July and tailgating, and likely have flag pillows?
I'm simply answering the question about who is it disrespectful to.
If someone wants to show disrespect, that is their choice.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The NFL:
@LuFins-Dad said in The NFL:
So who is it disrespectful to?
It's the law
When the U.S. national anthem was first recognized by law in 1931, there was no prescription as to behavior during its playing. On June 22, 1942, the law was revised indicating that those in uniform should salute during its playing, while others should simply stand at attention, men removing their hats. The same code also required that women should place their hands over their hearts when the flag is displayed during the playing of the national anthem, but not if the flag was not present. On December 23, 1942, the law was again revised instructing men and women to stand at attention and face in the direction of the music when it was played. That revision also directed men and women to place their hands over their hearts only if the flag was displayed. Those in uniform were required to salute. On July 7, 1976, the law was simplified. Men and women were instructed to stand with their hands over their hearts, men removing their hats, irrespective of whether or not the flag was displayed and those in uniform saluting. On August 12, 1998, the law was rewritten keeping the same instructions, but differentiating between "those in uniform" and "members of the Armed Forces and veterans" who were both instructed to salute during the playing whether or not the flag was displayed.
I'm so glad that you brought that up. It carries the same weight as the US Flag Code -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding or drapery
The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever.
It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard.How many people bitching about the Kaepernick Protest wear Flag T-Shirts or Hats, Have Flag napkins and plates for the 4th of July and tailgating, and likely have flag pillows?
I'm simply answering the question about who is it disrespectful to.
If someone wants to show disrespect, that is their choice.
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We don't get to choose who they're actually being disrespectful to, that's between them and their own inner thoughts.
Somebody can choose to kneel during the anthem and not mean any disrespect to the military. Deciding that somebody kneeling at the beginning of a football game is insulting WW2 veterans is an interpretative act of the observer.
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@Copper That doesn't say anything about who it's disrespectful to. That's just saying it's against a rule or law.
@LuFins-Dad said in The NFL:
@Copper That doesn't say anything about who it's disrespectful to. That's just saying it's against a rule or law.
It is disrespectful of the law.
Is this some kind of trick? The flag is not a person.
Of course if some person asked you to behave properly in regard to the flag and you did not then you would be disrespecting that person.
In Kap's case it was an anti-police gesture. He has occasionally denied this and affirmed this, but that was clearly part of his initial act.
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Dont the football players have a flag decal on the helmet they wear?
