Overcharging
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 01:24 last edited by
“Second degree murder is generally defined as intentional murder that lacks premeditation, is intended to only cause bodily harm, and demonstrates an extreme indifference to human life.”
Floyd’s unconscious five minutes in. Every second after that is intended to cause harm and demonstrates an extreme indifference to human life.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 01:33 last edited by
I can see murder 2.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 01:38 last edited by
But the killing was still not provably intentional. If I were on the jury I would find 2nd degree a stretch.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 01:42 last edited by
I suppose any member of the jury is going to have the social consequences on their minds. There is a clear promise of a widespread violent uprising, bought and paid for by the left, if the verdict isn't as demanded.
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But the killing was still not provably intentional. If I were on the jury I would find 2nd degree a stretch.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 01:43 last edited by@Mik said in Overcharging:
But the killing was still not provably intentional. If I were on the jury I would find 2nd degree a stretch.
IIRC, choke holds are allowed in Minneapolis. And folks, people will scream most anything while being restrained. The cop screwed up by not checking on his suspect's health, which is negligence. He used too much force, which is criminal.
You can nail him for Murder 3 pretty easily, IMO. Unless the fix is in, Murder 2 will make for a very interesting trial.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 02:08 last edited by
I suppose a police mob could destroy some property and get the charges reduced.
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I suppose any member of the jury is going to have the social consequences on their minds. There is a clear promise of a widespread violent uprising, bought and paid for by the left, if the verdict isn't as demanded.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 02:12 last edited by Mik 6 Jun 2020, 02:14@Horace said in Overcharging:
I suppose any member of the jury is going to have the social consequences on their minds. There is a clear promise of a widespread violent uprising, bought and paid for by the left, if the verdict isn't as demanded.
I wouldn’t. The case is the case and has to stand on its own merits. I would not give social consequence any consideration at all. Anything else is in fact an abdication of your real social responsibility.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 02:14 last edited by
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@Horace said in Overcharging:
I suppose any member of the jury is going to have the social consequences on their minds. There is a clear promise of a widespread violent uprising, bought and paid for by the left, if the verdict isn't as demanded.
I wouldn’t. The case is the case and has to stand on its own merits. I would not give social consequence any consideration at all. Anything else is in fact an abdication of your real social responsibility.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 02:15 last edited by@Mik said in Overcharging:
The case is the case and has to stand on its own merits. I would not give social consequence any consideration at all. Anything else is in fact an abdication of your real social responsibility.
You foolish idealist, you.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 02:18 last edited by
Would be nice if the jury held themselves to that standard.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 02:23 last edited by
@Horace said in Overcharging:
Would be nice if the jury held themselves to that standard.
You foolish idealist, you.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 02:33 last edited by
I mean, not nice for store owners on main street.
Nice for glass repair people.
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@Mik said in Overcharging:
The case is the case and has to stand on its own merits. I would not give social consequence any consideration at all. Anything else is in fact an abdication of your real social responsibility.
You foolish idealist, you.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 02:46 last edited by@George-K said in Overcharging:
@Mik said in Overcharging:
The case is the case and has to stand on its own merits. I would not give social consequence any consideration at all. Anything else is in fact an abdication of your real social responsibility.
You foolish idealist, you.
You cynical curmudgeon, you.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 03:28 last edited by
It will be interesting what comes out during the trial. I maintain there is a backstory yet to come out.
They knew each other. Either the cop was giving special punishment to Floyd to teach him a lesson, or, the cop was telegraphing a lesson to someone else via Floyd, but which included Floyd.
The fact that the other cops did virtually nothing, seems to indicate that they knew better than to cross the cop, or do anything other than gently try to convince him to get off his neck.Think Serpico, and it all makes sense.