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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
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    Maybe you could charge off a Peleton or something. Might take three or four days, but....

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      Maybe you could charge off a Peleton or something. Might take three or four days, but....

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      @Mik said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

      Maybe you could charge off a Peleton or something. Might take three or four days, but....

      The irony of biking for 4 days in order to be able to drive. You’d be able to bike farther than you’ll end up driving! Lol

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      • MikM Mik

        Maybe you could charge off a Peleton or something. Might take three or four days, but....

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        @Mik said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

        Maybe you could charge off a Peleton or something. Might take three or four days, but....

        I'm not even sure you can run a Pelaton without electricity!

        The Brad

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          And where will we put the 276 million vehicles that are on the road today?

          We're going to need a really big museum.

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          • CopperC Copper

            And where will we put the 276 million vehicles that are on the road today?

            We're going to need a really big museum.

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            @Copper said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

            And where will we put the 276 million vehicles that are on the road today?

            We're going to need a really big museum.

            You misspelled "landfill."

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Away
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              https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/florida-family-drives-into-electric-car-problem-a-replacement-battery-costs-more-than-vehicle-itself/ar-AAZGl89?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0e10afb3124942c886843dadd2abf858

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Wowsers.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • MikM Away
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                  It's a real problem. Just like with computers, the batteries are proprietary and will evolve over time, making it impractical to maintain inventories of older models. One of two things will happen until they become standardized - either the cars will become disposable, or the batteries will be interchangeable. For the foreseeable future I think it will be the former.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    Even with batteries that can be replaced...At one time it was thought you'd just replace the battery that went bad. That doesn't work. When one starts to go, you might as well replace the whole thing.

                    Refurb batteries don't work well, either. They cost less, but do not last as long as new, negating the cost difference.

                    I think a market niche for electric cars exist, but the grid will not support a mass infusion of them and they are useless in much of America.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      I ran the survey at the end of the story. 80% of the respondents felt the the benefits of EV didn't outweigh the risks.

                      The Brad

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                      • MikM Mik

                        It's a real problem. Just like with computers, the batteries are proprietary and will evolve over time, making it impractical to maintain inventories of older models. One of two things will happen until they become standardized - either the cars will become disposable, or the batteries will be interchangeable. For the foreseeable future I think it will be the former.

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                        @Mik said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                        It's a real problem. Just like with computers, the batteries are proprietary and will evolve over time, making it impractical to maintain inventories of older models. One of two things will happen until they become standardized - either the cars will become disposable, or the batteries will be interchangeable. For the foreseeable future I think it will be the former.

                        I agree with you. I had a "brilliant" business plan a long time ago. Standardize batteries and location in a car. Instead of "owning" the batteries, you would "rent" them. When they discharged, you would go to a "battery station" (like a gas station) and replace the battery pack. You would be on your way with a full tank in a matter of minutes.

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          @Mik said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                          It's a real problem. Just like with computers, the batteries are proprietary and will evolve over time, making it impractical to maintain inventories of older models. One of two things will happen until they become standardized - either the cars will become disposable, or the batteries will be interchangeable. For the foreseeable future I think it will be the former.

                          I agree with you. I had a "brilliant" business plan a long time ago. Standardize batteries and location in a car. Instead of "owning" the batteries, you would "rent" them. When they discharged, you would go to a "battery station" (like a gas station) and replace the battery pack. You would be on your way with a full tank in a matter of minutes.

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                          @taiwan_girl said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                          When they discharged, you would go to a "battery station" (like a gas station) and replace the battery pack.

                          Is this "battery station" some kind of charitable organization? Wouldn't they just inherit the problem that the car owner would have?

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                            @taiwan_girl said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                            When they discharged, you would go to a "battery station" (like a gas station) and replace the battery pack.

                            Is this "battery station" some kind of charitable organization? Wouldn't they just inherit the problem that the car owner would have?

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                            @Copper said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                            @taiwan_girl said in GM Reveals Nationwide Fast Charging Plans:

                            When they discharged, you would go to a "battery station" (like a gas station) and replace the battery pack.

                            Is this "battery station" some kind of charitable organization? Wouldn't they just inherit the problem that the car owner would have?

                            No, it would be the equivalent of a current gas station. They would have to have an initial stock of battery packs, and would charge USD$X when someone came in for a battery pack swap. Maybe it would be so many USD$ per % charge on the battery pack or something like that. Since the new car would come without a battery pack, it would be cheaper, but each "fill up" would be more expensive since you are spreading out the cost of the batteries over the lifetime, rather than at the initial purchase.

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