Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade
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@Mik said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
It says what it says.
What, am I writing in Urdu??? Of course it can't be done by fiat, any more than for any other content of the Constitution. But we both know that the extremist pro-Second people will constitute an enormous obstacle to amending the Amendment. Everything is sweetness and light until specific suggestions are made such as TG's. Then all we hear is, "Well, there's problems with this, this, and this." Problems. Not sitting down and ironing out differences and coming to agreement, but right off the bat, problems.
The writing is on the wall.
@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Mik said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
It says what it says.
What, am I writing in Urdu??? Of course it can't be done by fiat, any more than for any other content of the Constitution. But we both know that the extremist pro-Second people will constitute an enormous obstacle to amending the Amendment. Everything is sweetness and light until specific suggestions are made such as TG's. Then all we hear is, "Well, there's problems with this, this, and this." Problems. Not sitting down and ironing out differences and coming to agreement, but right off the bat, problems.
The writing is on the wall.
The reason for that is that any seriously restrictive measure that is taken only affects law abiding citizens. It doesn't touch criminals nor address the illegal gun market.
There is an argument to be made for mental health exclusions, red flag situations and age limits, and the recent legislation passed includes support for both those things.
But yeah, there are problems. In red flag scenarios the problem is for law enforcement. What cop wants to be the one to knock on the door to take away and imbalanced person's firearms? In many cases it will be peaceful, but not all of them. There will be cop and citizen deaths involved.
But... the steps taken, if implemented by the states, should have prevented the Highland Park shooter from getting weapons. It's a good step.
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@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
BTW, was it ever determined if he was Antifa or a sympathizer?
The interviews I heard this morning indicated that he didn't seem to have a political ideology.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
BTW, was it ever determined if he was Antifa or a sympathizer?
The interviews I heard this morning indicated that he didn't seem to have a political ideology.
If he does have an ideological outlook I would wager it to be outta this world.
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@Mik said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
Looking for the why of younger mass shooters? So are the 'experts'.
You can buy a gun before you can buy alcohol.
Doesn't anybody else think this is a bit weird?
Yeah, yeah, I know, the genius of The Constitution. Maybe if Sam Adams had had more input.....
@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Mik said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
Looking for the why of younger mass shooters? So are the 'experts'.
You can buy a gun before you can buy alcohol.
Doesn't anybody else think this is a bit weird?
Yeah, yeah, I know, the genius of The Constitution. Maybe if Sam Adams had had more input.....
Not so down here. Maybe things are different in the NE?
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@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
How, exactly, will that happen?
Well, why isn't reform happening now?
No, you mentioned "extremist pro-2A people constituting an obstacle." Are they in the majority of the population? Does the majority of legislators support them?
So, again, how does that happen?
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
How, exactly, will that happen?
Well, why isn't reform happening now?
No, you mentioned "extremist pro-2A people constituting an obstacle." Are they in the majority of the population? Does the majority of legislators support them?
High %of US population supports gun control
I have only linked to one poll, but a search will show that almost every poll (regardless of how conservative/liberal the poller is) shows that a pretty high majority of the US public supports gun control.
Is it the same for the legislators? Hmmm, not sure. Part of the problem with the gerrymander of districts is that often times, the legislators do not represent the majority view of their patients.
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@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
How, exactly, will that happen?
Well, why isn't reform happening now?
No, you mentioned "extremist pro-2A people constituting an obstacle." Are they in the majority of the population? Does the majority of legislators support them?
High %of US population supports gun control
I have only linked to one poll, but a search will show that almost every poll (regardless of how conservative/liberal the poller is) shows that a pretty high majority of the US public supports gun control.
Is it the same for the legislators? Hmmm, not sure. Part of the problem with the gerrymander of districts is that often times, the legislators do not represent the majority view of their patients.
@taiwan_girl said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
How, exactly, will that happen?
Well, why isn't reform happening now?
No, you mentioned "extremist pro-2A people constituting an obstacle." Are they in the majority of the population? Does the majority of legislators support them?
High %of US population supports gun control
I have only linked to one poll, but a search will show that almost every poll (regardless of how conservative/liberal the poller is) shows that a pretty high majority of the US public supports gun control.
Is it the same for the legislators? Hmmm, not sure. Part of the problem with the gerrymander of districts is that often times, the legislators do not represent the majority view of their patients.
Get me 38 states.
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@taiwan_girl said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
How, exactly, will that happen?
Well, why isn't reform happening now?
No, you mentioned "extremist pro-2A people constituting an obstacle." Are they in the majority of the population? Does the majority of legislators support them?
High %of US population supports gun control
I have only linked to one poll, but a search will show that almost every poll (regardless of how conservative/liberal the poller is) shows that a pretty high majority of the US public supports gun control.
Is it the same for the legislators? Hmmm, not sure. Part of the problem with the gerrymander of districts is that often times, the legislators do not represent the majority view of their patients.
Get me 38 states.
@Jolly Would be hard. The current primary system rewards the "fringe" candidate on both sides.
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Would be exceeding hard. And has nothing to do with fringe anything.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
How, exactly, will that happen?
Well, why isn't reform happening now?
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@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
Would be exceeding hard. And has nothing to do with fringe anything.
As it is meant to be.
My brother too is focusing on our primary system. It is not currently turning out the way some want, so it must be changed, they say. Same thing they say about that stroke of genius, the electoral college. And the Supreme Court.
That's the way to tyranny - trying to fix the outcomes.
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Gun used?
Kel-tec Sub 2000.
That's interesting...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
Kel-tec Sub 2000.
That's interesting...OK, for us ignoranti, 'splain, please!
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
Gun used?
Kel-tec Sub 2000.
That's interesting...
That's made like 3mi from where I lived when I was my son's current age. My best friend from that era has worked for George for decades.
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@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
Kel-tec Sub 2000.
That's interesting...OK, for us ignoranti, 'splain, please!
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
Kel-tec Sub 2000.
That's interesting...OK, for us ignoranti, 'splain, please!
Pistol caliber (most likely 9x19) folding carbine. Like most Kel-tec stuff, very innovative, but a lot of plastic and not always great build quality. Takes Glock mags, which means you can get an extended 33 rounder. One of the shortest videos I saw on the weapon, FF to about 3:20 to watch them shooting it...
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A grand jury indicted Crimo in February on seven counts of reckless conduct, one for each person his 19-year-old son killed in the attack, after he sponsored his son's Firearm Owners Identification application, which allowed him to buy the AR-15-style weapon he used.
Prosecutors have pointed out that by signing the document, Crimo agreed to be "liable for any damages resulting from the minor applicant’s use of firearms or firearm ammunition."
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It was his choice, no?
Prosecutors have pointed out that by signing the document, Crimo agreed to be "liable for any damages resulting from the minor applicant’s use of firearms or firearm ammunition."
As we used to say on Wall Street, sometimes the risk shows up.
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I suppose it's the equivalent of co-signing your kid's loan or credit card or rental application, you are on the hook if you kid becomes delinquent or trashed his rental. But still, "liable for damage" usually means property damage, with the "liability" being monetary in nature, no? Loss of personal freedom is rather different in nature.
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I suppose it's the equivalent of co-signing your kid's loan or credit card or rental application, you are on the hook if you kid becomes delinquent or trashed his rental. But still, "liable for damage" usually means property damage, with the "liability" being monetary in nature, no? Loss of personal freedom is rather different in nature.
@Axtremus said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
"liable for damage" usually means property damage, with the "liability" being monetary in nature, no
Legally speaking, I think "liable" is different from "guilty." Liability is used for civli cases, guilt in criminal cases.
