A bad day for Trump
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@Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
@Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.
How often does Uncle Henry think Trump is lying?
Nice deflection.
I brought out a Uncle Henry quote, I asked a direct Uncle Henry question; no deflection at all. You are the one deflecting from my direct question.
No, you've never met Uncle Henry, you don't know Uncle Henry, and you look enough like a "slant-eyed bastard" as he termed most folks of Asian descent, that I doubt you'd have said boo-shit to the man.
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
No, you've never met Uncle Henry, you don't know Uncle Henry, and you look enough like a "slant-eyed bastard" as he termed most folks of Asian descent, that I doubt you'd have said boo-shit to the man.
So because your Uncle Henry disliked people of Asian descent, people of Asian descent are by definition fearful of Uncle Henry??
Did Uncle Henry know about the Bataan Death March, by chance?
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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There is a speech pattern in her testimony that occurs over and over again. IIRC, it's words to the effect. It's obvious she was coached up for her testimony by a lawyer or legal team that knew her story was full of hearsay and holes, and needed to CYA the silliness.
She changed to a Democrat lawyer three weeks before her testimony.
Just another ploy ginned up by this guy...
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
She changed to a Democrat lawyer three weeks before her testimony.
She changed to a lawyer who was nominated by Trump to lead the DOJ’s Civil Division and was formerly US Attorney General Jeff Session’s Chief of Staff. That’s not a “Democrat lawyer.”
Now that I have shown you a falsehood in what you said, are you going to “Uncle Henry” everything else you say here? Should @George-K “falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus” everything else you say here?
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“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
No, you've never met Uncle Henry, you don't know Uncle Henry, and you look enough like a "slant-eyed bastard" as he termed most folks of Asian descent, that I doubt you'd have said boo-shit to the man.
So because your Uncle Henry disliked people of Asian descent, people of Asian descent are by definition fearful of Uncle Henry??
Did Uncle Henry know about the Bataan Death March, by chance?
@Catseye3 said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
No, you've never met Uncle Henry, you don't know Uncle Henry, and you look enough like a "slant-eyed bastard" as he termed most folks of Asian descent, that I doubt you'd have said boo-shit to the man.
So because your Uncle Henry disliked people of Asian descent, people of Asian descent are by definition fearful of Uncle Henry??
Did Uncle Henry know about the Bataan Death March, by chance?
No, I said that simply because Ax is being a pedantic Asian bastard. Her testimony is worthless and it's quite obvious, from the made-up shit, to the CYA coaching, to lack of any cross examination, to the point that the committee members were so objective, they were hugging up on her as she left the room.
Ax knows this is political theater, it's heavily influenced by the same lying, low-life, mother-fucking, son of a bitch (and I'm being charitable) who led the Russia! Russia! Russia! hearings. The best part of Adam ran down his mother's legs as he was born and if there was any justice left in this country, he'd be sitting in a jail cell.
If they had actually wanted a fact-finding January 6th Commission, they could have had one. This is political theater, the third bite at the Trump apple, and a blatant attempt to politically wound him in case he tries to run again.
I was listening to a congressman last night, a black gentleman representing a district in Florida. he said much of this testimony has already come out in House hearings and this committee is cherry-picking what they want you to hear in primetime.
As one example, did you know there was sworn testimony in the House that Trump offered troops to House (Pelosi) leadership on January 4th? Have you heard that in these latest hearings? If not, I'll save you the trouble - it hasn't. And it won't.
For whatever bad things Trump may have done as President (and they aren't near as many as breathlessly enumerated by much of the MSM), the Democrats are out of their rabid-arse minds and are opening the door to serious problems down the road for this country...Impeachment by hearsay, Impeachment for purely political reasons, blatantly false testimony pushed as fact long after it was known as false, tampering with Justice, abusing FISA, lying to judges, setting up innocent people using the FBI, no-knock SWAT raids on elderly people under the glare of CNN cameras...The list goes on and on as they feed their TDS.
As one very thoughtful person recently told me, "You can't talk to these people, you can't rationalize or debate with them. The only thing left to do, is shoot them".
Jon has long thought I was crazy about armed conflict in this country. I suspect he doesn't think I'm near as crazy about that as he used to...
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@Mik said in A bad day for Trump:
That article reports a lot of very nice things being said about Hutchinson by people in the Trump orbit, that she was well-liked, well respected in that circle, and she indeed has access to a lot of insider meetings. E.g.,
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Sarah Matthews, who is a former Trump spokesperson, told leftist outlet PolitiFact that she was “essentially [Meadows’] right hand and a very close confidante of his even though she was pretty young.”
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Matthews would go on to comment that Hutchinson was “extremely mature for her age, highly intelligent, very personable.”
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Brendan Buck, an ex-aide to former House Speaker Paul Ryan, who stated that as an aide to Meadows, Hutchinson “was always by [Meadows’] side … when there were meetings you’d expect to be principal-level or very small, senior staff-level, he would always insist she was in the room.”
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Alyssa Farah Griffin, who is Pence’s former press secretary, texted PolitiFact that Hutchinson was a “consummate West Wing insider.”
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“She was known as an incredibly hard and loyal worker — arriving as early as 6 am and often staying until after midnight. She flew all over the country on AF1 with the president,” Griffin texted. “She was well liked and well respected. Always moving a million miles a minute. She was also on a first-name basis with most Republican members of Congress, and was plugged in throughout Republican circles.”
If anything, these glowing comments from these Republican figures make Hutchinson and her testimony more credible.
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Try as you may, Ax, you cannot polish a turd. A week AFTER 1/6 she was announcing that she would be working at Mar-A-Lago on the Trump team. Then she didn't get the job. Then she decided to tell these tales, and the clouds parted and jobs from heaven came down.
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Try as you may, Ax, you cannot polish a turd. A week AFTER 1/6 she was announcing that she would be working at Mar-A-Lago on the Trump team. Then she didn't get the job. Then she decided to tell these tales, and the clouds parted and jobs from heaven came down.
@Mik said in A bad day for Trump:
A week AFTER 1/6 she was announcing that she would be working at Mar-A-Lago on the Trump team. Then she didn't get the job. Then she decided to tell these tales, and the clouds parted and jobs from heaven came down.
The “disgruntled (ex-)employee” attack is pretty much foisted on every (former) employee who says negative things about the (former) employer by the employer’s team. I didn’t think you’d get taken in by this sort of attack so easily.
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What kind of name is Cassidy anyway?
That is kind of a weird name.
Butch or Hopalong OK, but as a first name, it just isn't right.
@Copper said in A bad day for Trump:
What kind of name is Cassidy anyway?
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@Mik said in A bad day for Trump:
A week AFTER 1/6 she was announcing that she would be working at Mar-A-Lago on the Trump team. Then she didn't get the job. Then she decided to tell these tales, and the clouds parted and jobs from heaven came down.
The “disgruntled (ex-)employee” attack is pretty much foisted on every (former) employee who says negative things about the (former) employer by the employer’s team. I didn’t think you’d get taken in by this sort of attack so easily.
@Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:
@Mik said in A bad day for Trump:
A week AFTER 1/6 she was announcing that she would be working at Mar-A-Lago on the Trump team. Then she didn't get the job. Then she decided to tell these tales, and the clouds parted and jobs from heaven came down.
The “disgruntled (ex-)employee” attack is pretty much foisted on every (former) employee who says negative things about the (former) employer by the employer’s team. I didn’t think you’d get taken in by this sort of attack so easily.
Does that make you feel badly? I hope not. There are too many bad feelings in this thread already - enough is enough.
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@Mik said in A bad day for Trump:
A week AFTER 1/6 she was announcing that she would be working at Mar-A-Lago on the Trump team. Then she didn't get the job. Then she decided to tell these tales, and the clouds parted and jobs from heaven came down.
The “disgruntled (ex-)employee” attack is pretty much foisted on every (former) employee who says negative things about the (former) employer by the employer’s team. I didn’t think you’d get taken in by this sort of attack so easily.
@Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:
@Mik said in A bad day for Trump:
A week AFTER 1/6 she was announcing that she would be working at Mar-A-Lago on the Trump team. Then she didn't get the job. Then she decided to tell these tales, and the clouds parted and jobs from heaven came down.
The “disgruntled (ex-)employee” attack is pretty much foisted on every (former) employee who says negative things about the (former) employer by the employer’s team. I didn’t think you’d get taken in by this sort of attack so easily.
Or that you would fall for her bullshit. And it's proven bullshit.
So give it up, lad. Your king hath no clothes.
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@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Larry said in A bad day for Trump:
Anyone who has even looked inside a limo can tell you it is flat out impossible to grab the steering wheel from the back seat, which is where the VIP would be sitting. That's one. The Secret Service says it didn't happen. That's two. By making such a ridiculous claim, the woman proved herself to be a liar before the sun had set. That's three. It is a proven fact that Trump tried to provide the znational Guard to beef up security. Yet this bunch of fools would have you believe that at the same time as he was trying to beef up security he was conspiring to send armed I surgents into the capital. Thats four.
Ok, I'll bite:
One: If it was the Presidential SUV, there is no barrier between the backseat and the front seat.
Two: The Secret Service hasn't testified to that under oath.
Three: Not sure how her testimony makes her a liar. I believe she told the truth about what she heard. Now, whether what she heard was accurate is a different question, as others like @George-K have pointed out.
Four: I'm not sure he was trying to send armed insurgents to the Capitol, but as said before, all of this is hearsay anyway so until there is better proof of his comments (this and others), this is all just vapor testimony, IMO.
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
- The SS has already submitted papers saying they will be happy to testify under oath. Hide behind a tree and see if they're called. I'd say it's 75/25 they're not called.
- That's hearsay. What person in their right mind wants hearsay, possible even third or fourth hand hearsay given in a committee of supposedly this much importance. It's not important, son. It's a political sideshow. They on't give a shit about the country...This is solely trying to wound Trump politically, trying to keep him from running again. It's very hard to steal two elections in a row.
- Troops were offered. It's Pelosi's responsibility to ensure the safety of the Capitol. She did not take the President up on his offer.
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
I have been in one. Have you? Don't forget I worked in DC for many years doing many things you'll never know about.
Larry said it was flat out impossible. I can guarantee you it's not. Larry said she proved herself to be a liar, which is untrue. The amount of bending over backwards you and Larry do to defend anything against Trump is quite...gymnastic.
I said earlier that most of what she said wouldn't surprise me if true, even stuff she saw directly, but not much hard evidence to use besides her words. Let's try to remain objective instead of Trump cheerleaders, shall we? I'm sure the ketchup on the wall and broken plates was just a interior design decision, too. I'd react the same way if this was Obama who did (or allegedly did) all this.
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@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
I have been in one. Have you? Don't forget I worked in DC for many years doing many things you'll never know about.
Larry said it was flat out impossible. I can guarantee you it's not. Larry said she proved herself to be a liar, which is untrue. The amount of bending over backwards you and Larry do to defend anything against Trump is quite...gymnastic.
I said earlier that most of what she said wouldn't surprise me if true, even stuff she saw directly, but not much hard evidence to use besides her words. Let's try to remain objective instead of Trump cheerleaders, shall we? I'm sure the ketchup on the wall and broken plates was just a interior design decision, too. I'd react the same way if this was Obama who did (or allegedly did) all this.
@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
I have been in one. Have you? Don't forget I worked in DC for many years doing many things you'll never know about.
Larry said it was flat out impossible. I can guarantee you it's not. Larry said she proved herself to be a liar, which is untrue. The amount of bending over backwards you and Larry do to defend anything against Trump is quite...gymnastic.
I said earlier that most of what she said wouldn't surprise me if true, even stuff she saw directly, but not much hard evidence to use besides her words. Let's try to remain objective instead of Trump cheerleaders, shall we? I'm sure the ketchup on the wall and broken plates was just a interior design decision, too. I'd react the same way if this was Obama who did (or allegedly did) all this.
Hello, Swamp Creature.
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@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
I have been in one. Have you? Don't forget I worked in DC for many years doing many things you'll never know about.
Larry said it was flat out impossible. I can guarantee you it's not. Larry said she proved herself to be a liar, which is untrue. The amount of bending over backwards you and Larry do to defend anything against Trump is quite...gymnastic.
I said earlier that most of what she said wouldn't surprise me if true, even stuff she saw directly, but not much hard evidence to use besides her words. Let's try to remain objective instead of Trump cheerleaders, shall we? I'm sure the ketchup on the wall and broken plates was just a interior design decision, too. I'd react the same way if this was Obama who did (or allegedly did) all this.
@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
I have been in one. Have you? Don't forget I worked in DC for many years doing many things you'll never know about.
Larry said it was flat out impossible. I can guarantee you it's not. Larry said she proved herself to be a liar, which is untrue. The amount of bending over backwards you and Larry do to defend anything against Trump is quite...gymnastic.
I said earlier that most of what she said wouldn't surprise me if true, even stuff she saw directly, but not much hard evidence to use besides her words. Let's try to remain objective instead of Trump cheerleaders, shall we? I'm sure the ketchup on the wall and broken plates was just a interior design decision, too. I'd react the same way if this was Obama who did (or allegedly did) all this.
You honestly don't see how stupid your statements are. That is flat out amazing...
No, you CANNOT reach the steering wheel of a limo from the back seat where a VIP could sit. Let's look at this whole claim. The woman said they were in "The Beast" - term describing the presidential limo. They were not in "The Beast" they were in a Secret Service SUV. THOSE aren't limos, so that isn't even at issue. Secret Service SUVs do not have a partition either, so that isn't an issue. There were however, 3 secret service men in the SUV with Trump. The driver, one in the front passenger seat, and one sitting beside Trump in the back seat. This woman claims that one of these 3 men told her about it. The man she says told her about it has a 21 year career with the agency, with an impeccable record. When he heard what the woman had said, he stated for the record that it categorically did NOT happen, and that he wants to testify to that under oath.
It's not me or Jolly bending over backwards to defend Trump, it's you bending over backwards to me at him - and it makes you look like a fool.
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@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
- How do you KNOW there is no barrier? There's one in the Presidential limo.
I have been in one. Have you? Don't forget I worked in DC for many years doing many things you'll never know about.
Larry said it was flat out impossible. I can guarantee you it's not. Larry said she proved herself to be a liar, which is untrue. The amount of bending over backwards you and Larry do to defend anything against Trump is quite...gymnastic.
I said earlier that most of what she said wouldn't surprise me if true, even stuff she saw directly, but not much hard evidence to use besides her words. Let's try to remain objective instead of Trump cheerleaders, shall we? I'm sure the ketchup on the wall and broken plates was just a interior design decision, too. I'd react the same way if this was Obama who did (or allegedly did) all this.
You honestly don't see how stupid your statements are. That is flat out amazing...
No, you CANNOT reach the steering wheel of a limo from the back seat where a VIP could sit. Let's look at this whole claim. The woman said they were in "The Beast" - term describing the presidential limo. They were not in "The Beast" they were in a Secret Service SUV. THOSE aren't limos, so that isn't even at issue. Secret Service SUVs do not have a partition either, so that isn't an issue. There were however, 3 secret service men in the SUV with Trump. The driver, one in the front passenger seat, and one sitting beside Trump in the back seat. This woman claims that one of these 3 men told her about it. The man she says told her about it has a 21 year career with the agency, with an impeccable record. When he heard what the woman had said, he stated for the record that it categorically did NOT happen, and that he wants to testify to that under oath.
It's not me or Jolly bending over backwards to defend Trump, it's you bending over backwards to me at him - and it makes you look like a fool.
@Larry So now you admit it wasn't a limo, good. And that the SUV doesn't have a partition, good. We are making progress.
The "beast" can be used to reference the presential SUV, you know. Well you might not know, but now you do. But it is not officially "the beast", that is only the limo.
Also she said he reached "at" the steering wheel, which is completely possible from the back seats if he leans forward. Pretty sure you could do that. I know I could. I would imagine, if true, he was not trying to literally drive but was making a point that he would drive if needed to get to the Capitol.
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@Larry So now you admit it wasn't a limo, good. And that the SUV doesn't have a partition, good. We are making progress.
The "beast" can be used to reference the presential SUV, you know. Well you might not know, but now you do. But it is not officially "the beast", that is only the limo.
Also she said he reached "at" the steering wheel, which is completely possible from the back seats if he leans forward. Pretty sure you could do that. I know I could. I would imagine, if true, he was not trying to literally drive but was making a point that he would drive if needed to get to the Capitol.
@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Larry So now you admit it wasn't a limo, good. And that the SUV doesn't have a partition, good. We are making progress.
The "beast" can be used to reference the presential SUV, you know. Well you might not know, but now you do. But it is not officially "the beast", that is only the limo.
Also she said he reached "at" the steering wheel, which is completely possible from the back seats if he leans forward. Pretty sure you could do that. I know I could. I would imagine, if true, he was not trying to literally drive but was making a point that he would drive if needed to get to the Capitol.
Prithee, how can a sixty-something year-old man reach across three secret service agnts to grab a steering wheel from the back seat?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@89th said in A bad day for Trump:
@Larry So now you admit it wasn't a limo, good. And that the SUV doesn't have a partition, good. We are making progress.
The "beast" can be used to reference the presential SUV, you know. Well you might not know, but now you do. But it is not officially "the beast", that is only the limo.
Also she said he reached "at" the steering wheel, which is completely possible from the back seats if he leans forward. Pretty sure you could do that. I know I could. I would imagine, if true, he was not trying to literally drive but was making a point that he would drive if needed to get to the Capitol.
Prithee, how can a sixty-something year-old man reach across three secret service agnts to grab a steering wheel from the back seat?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
sixty-something
Did he lie about his age as well?
Excuse me, it gets a better...A 74 year-old man slinging aside three Secret Service guys.
Oh. My. Giddy. Aunt.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
sixty-something
Did he lie about his age as well?
Excuse me, it gets a better...A 74 year-old man slinging aside three Secret Service guys.
Oh. My. Giddy. Aunt.
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
@Doctor-Phibes said in A bad day for Trump:
@Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:
sixty-something
Did he lie about his age as well?
Excuse me, it gets a better...A 74 year-old man slinging aside three Secret Service guys.
Oh. My. Giddy. Aunt.
A mere 4 years earlier he was the healthiest man to ever run for President.
The stress has clearly taken its toll.
