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@Mik said in The hearings broadcast:
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
I haven't watched. Is there audio evidence of Trump saying that Pence deserves to be hanged? I presume not otherwise we would've heard it already.
I believe he said it, but it was not a public comment. I can’t imagine that anyone would be surprised.
It also seems like something he’d say, but also maybe not mean it literally. That being said, I love how we’ve come to a place culturally where there isn’t more outrage of a sitting President saying his VP should be hanged. To think the outrage threshold 15 years ago was Bush being unable to pronounce the word “nuclear”.
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
there isn’t more outrage of a sitting President saying his VP should be hanged.
Got a direct quote for that, or is it "an unnamed person, said that POTUS said that?"
Because the right to cross-examine someone is fundamental to our system. This show doesn't rise to that standard.
Besides, what's the actual goal here?
Impeachment? Too late.
Criminal charges? Against whom, exactly?
Outrage? Look! Squirrel (pay no attention to the gas prices)SRSLY, what is the point here?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@Mik said in The hearings broadcast:
Well, let's do a survey. Who here believes Trump would actually have hanged Pence if he could have?
Let's first do a survey for the question that no one (except you) answered. Who here thinks he said it?
Whether he meant it, if he said it, clearly I think he didn't. Unless he could use Trump Gallows(TM). He has a very long track record of saying things he didn't believe.
I think if he said it, which is plausible, he did not mean it. Which takes all the bite out of having said it.
Not to me. Even if he didn’t mean it, I find it interesting this is where we are… a president says his VP deserves to be hanged (loljk!) and there isn’t much of a reaction because of how numb we’ve become to such tomfoolery.
It's strange to be focusing on reaction to what might or might not have been said, when there's plenty of facts about what actually happened on January 6 to react to. You are expecting people to react as if they heard him say it. That's not realistic. Actually if your main takeaway from the hearing is this hearsay, it's a huge win for those who think the left's characterization of Jan 6 is over the top. This is the most salacious thing we get, to move us from "doofi taking selfies" to "legitimate insurrection attempt"?
I guess I have just observed that Trump did so many things in office that would've been "the scandal of the decade" for previous administrations that folks are numb to it. I actually didn't watch the hearings but when I saw the quote (and was curious if they had evidence before I believe it) I figured at least now some trump cheerleaders would've been like "Ok, if true, that's too far", but it sounds like its more of a "yeah that's trump... he does crazy shit like joking that his VP should be killed, lolz" reaction. Oh well.
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@Mik said in The hearings broadcast:
Well, let's do a survey. Who here believes Trump would actually have hanged Pence if he could have?
Let's first do a survey for the question that no one (except you) answered. Who here thinks he said it?
Whether he meant it, if he said it, clearly I think he didn't. Unless he could use Trump Gallows(TM). He has a very long track record of saying things he didn't believe.
I think if he said it, which is plausible, he did not mean it. Which takes all the bite out of having said it.
Not to me. Even if he didn’t mean it, I find it interesting this is where we are… a president says his VP deserves to be hanged (loljk!) and there isn’t much of a reaction because of how numb we’ve become to such tomfoolery.
It's strange to be focusing on reaction to what might or might not have been said, when there's plenty of facts about what actually happened on January 6 to react to. You are expecting people to react as if they heard him say it. That's not realistic. Actually if your main takeaway from the hearing is this hearsay, it's a huge win for those who think the left's characterization of Jan 6 is over the top. This is the most salacious thing we get, to move us from "doofi taking selfies" to "legitimate insurrection attempt"?
I guess I have just observed that Trump did so many things in office that would've been "the scandal of the decade" for previous administrations that folks are numb to it. I actually didn't watch the hearings but when I saw the quote (and was curious if they had evidence before I believe it) I figured at least now some trump cheerleaders would've been like "Ok, if true, that's too far", but it sounds like its more of a "yeah that's trump... he does crazy shit like joking that his VP should be killed, lolz" reaction. Oh well.
Ever stop to think about all the things the MSM has not told you about Obama or Biden? Take Trump's rhetoric or personal utterences, cut it by 75%, and you might, repeat might, have a clearer picture of the Truth.
Perception as created by reporting, shapes reality. What gets left out is sometimes more important than what gets left in.
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@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
there isn’t more outrage of a sitting President saying his VP should be hanged.
Got a direct quote for that, or is it "an unnamed person, said that POTUS said that?"
Because the right to cross-examine someone is fundamental to our system. This show doesn't rise to that standard.
Besides, what's the actual goal here?
Impeachment? Too late.
Criminal charges? Against whom, exactly?
Outrage? Look! Squirrel (pay no attention to the gas prices)SRSLY, what is the point here?
@George-K said in The hearings broadcast:
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
there isn’t more outrage of a sitting President saying his VP should be hanged.
Got a direct quote for that, or is it "an unnamed person, said that POTUS said that?"
Because the right to cross-examine someone is fundamental to our system. This show doesn't rise to that standard.
Besides, what's the actual goal here?
Impeachment? Too late.
Criminal charges? Against whom, exactly?
Outrage? Look! Squirrel (pay no attention to the gas prices)SRSLY, what is the point here?
To wound Trump politically.
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@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@Mik said in The hearings broadcast:
Well, let's do a survey. Who here believes Trump would actually have hanged Pence if he could have?
Let's first do a survey for the question that no one (except you) answered. Who here thinks he said it?
Whether he meant it, if he said it, clearly I think he didn't. Unless he could use Trump Gallows(TM). He has a very long track record of saying things he didn't believe.
I think if he said it, which is plausible, he did not mean it. Which takes all the bite out of having said it.
Not to me. Even if he didn’t mean it, I find it interesting this is where we are… a president says his VP deserves to be hanged (loljk!) and there isn’t much of a reaction because of how numb we’ve become to such tomfoolery.
It's strange to be focusing on reaction to what might or might not have been said, when there's plenty of facts about what actually happened on January 6 to react to. You are expecting people to react as if they heard him say it. That's not realistic. Actually if your main takeaway from the hearing is this hearsay, it's a huge win for those who think the left's characterization of Jan 6 is over the top. This is the most salacious thing we get, to move us from "doofi taking selfies" to "legitimate insurrection attempt"?
I guess I have just observed that Trump did so many things in office that would've been "the scandal of the decade" for previous administrations that folks are numb to it. I actually didn't watch the hearings but when I saw the quote (and was curious if they had evidence before I believe it) I figured at least now some trump cheerleaders would've been like "Ok, if true, that's too far", but it sounds like its more of a "yeah that's trump... he does crazy shit like joking that his VP should be killed, lolz" reaction. Oh well.
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@Mik said in The hearings broadcast:
Well, let's do a survey. Who here believes Trump would actually have hanged Pence if he could have?
Let's first do a survey for the question that no one (except you) answered. Who here thinks he said it?
Whether he meant it, if he said it, clearly I think he didn't. Unless he could use Trump Gallows(TM). He has a very long track record of saying things he didn't believe.
I think if he said it, which is plausible, he did not mean it. Which takes all the bite out of having said it.
Not to me. Even if he didn’t mean it, I find it interesting this is where we are… a president says his VP deserves to be hanged (loljk!) and there isn’t much of a reaction because of how numb we’ve become to such tomfoolery.
It's strange to be focusing on reaction to what might or might not have been said, when there's plenty of facts about what actually happened on January 6 to react to. You are expecting people to react as if they heard him say it. That's not realistic. Actually if your main takeaway from the hearing is this hearsay, it's a huge win for those who think the left's characterization of Jan 6 is over the top. This is the most salacious thing we get, to move us from "doofi taking selfies" to "legitimate insurrection attempt"?
I guess I have just observed that Trump did so many things in office that would've been "the scandal of the decade" for previous administrations that folks are numb to it. I actually didn't watch the hearings but when I saw the quote (and was curious if they had evidence before I believe it) I figured at least now some trump cheerleaders would've been like "Ok, if true, that's too far", but it sounds like its more of a "yeah that's trump... he does crazy shit like joking that his VP should be killed, lolz" reaction. Oh well.
It seems like the reaction you are hoping for is to Trump having planned an insurrection where step 15 was capital punishment for an uncooperative Pence. If true, yes, absolutely, way too far. Way way too far. But I’m not going to jump into the hands of the left by reacting as if that were the case. I’ll leave that to future generations as they read their history books.
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@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@Mik said in The hearings broadcast:
Well, let's do a survey. Who here believes Trump would actually have hanged Pence if he could have?
Let's first do a survey for the question that no one (except you) answered. Who here thinks he said it?
Whether he meant it, if he said it, clearly I think he didn't. Unless he could use Trump Gallows(TM). He has a very long track record of saying things he didn't believe.
I think if he said it, which is plausible, he did not mean it. Which takes all the bite out of having said it.
Not to me. Even if he didn’t mean it, I find it interesting this is where we are… a president says his VP deserves to be hanged (loljk!) and there isn’t much of a reaction because of how numb we’ve become to such tomfoolery.
It's strange to be focusing on reaction to what might or might not have been said, when there's plenty of facts about what actually happened on January 6 to react to. You are expecting people to react as if they heard him say it. That's not realistic. Actually if your main takeaway from the hearing is this hearsay, it's a huge win for those who think the left's characterization of Jan 6 is over the top. This is the most salacious thing we get, to move us from "doofi taking selfies" to "legitimate insurrection attempt"?
I guess I have just observed that Trump did so many things in office that would've been "the scandal of the decade" for previous administrations that folks are numb to it. I actually didn't watch the hearings but when I saw the quote (and was curious if they had evidence before I believe it) I figured at least now some trump cheerleaders would've been like "Ok, if true, that's too far", but it sounds like its more of a "yeah that's trump... he does crazy shit like joking that his VP should be killed, lolz" reaction. Oh well.
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
I guess I have just observed that Trump did so many things in office that would've been "the scandal of the decade" for previous administrations that folks are numb to it.
Fucking name them.
I'm sick of listening to dumbassed Trump bashers who state lies like they were facts. So fucking name them, boy.
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@George-K said in The hearings broadcast:
@Axtremus said in The hearings broadcast:
Pelosi originally offered to form a bipartisan Commission to investigate the Jan.6 Capitol riot/insurrection
With people from the DOP whom SHE picked. That is a precedent that was broken.
Read McCarthy again.
@Axtremus said in The hearings broadcast:
Filibustered in the House? I didn't know that was a thing. They got their commission. Just not in the Senate.
Had the GOP agreed to a bipartisan Commission back when Pelosi offered that option, the GOP would have been able to pick who they send to that Commission. The Dems offered equal participation both in the House and in the Senate. The GOP refused to participate in the House, the GOP blocked it in the Senate. That’s why the Dems are left with a “Select Committee” in the House instead of a bipartisan “Commission.”
The GOP could have had a bipartisan “Commission” with them picking half the members had they accepted Pelosi’s offer to put together a bipartisan “Commission.” But the GOP refused. Maybe most of the GOP was simply too afraid of Trump to vote for or participate in such a bipartisan “Commission.” Regardless, given the GOP’s own refusal to support the offer for equal participation in the past, the GOP deserves no sympathy on this issue today.
@Axtremus said in The hearings broadcast:
@George-K said in The hearings broadcast:
@Axtremus said in The hearings broadcast:
Pelosi originally offered to form a bipartisan Commission to investigate the Jan.6 Capitol riot/insurrection
With people from the DOP whom SHE picked. That is a precedent that was broken.
Read McCarthy again.
@Axtremus said in The hearings broadcast:
Filibustered in the House? I didn't know that was a thing. They got their commission. Just not in the Senate.
Had the GOP agreed to a bipartisan Commission back when Pelosi offered that option, the GOP would have been able to pick who they send to that Commission. The Dems offered equal participation both in the House and in the Senate. The GOP refused to participate in the House, the GOP blocked it in the Senate. That’s why the Dems are left with a “Select Committee” in the House instead of a bipartisan “Commission.”
The GOP could have had a bipartisan “Commission” with them picking half the members had they accepted Pelosi’s offer to put together a bipartisan “Commission.” But the GOP refused. Maybe most of the GOP was simply too afraid of Trump to vote for or participate in such a bipartisan “Commission.” Regardless, given the GOP’s own refusal to support the offer for equal participation in the past, the GOP deserves no sympathy on this issue today.
Every single word of what you wrote is a bare assed lie.
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There was an NYT op ed and a book written by a whitehouse insider stating that there was a coalition of high level government operatives who were actively subverting the will of the president. This was framed as a group of "adults in the room" that, thank god, were there to protect America and the world from the worst tendencies of the Infant In Chief. This was, literally, bragging about a subversion of the institution of the presidency, and a subversion of the will of the voters who put Trump there, fair and square.
There was no backlash from the mainstream in response to this. Because they were so sure that righteous reasons existed for this absolutely fundamental destruction of the institution of the presidency. I found zero "principled" people on the left, or TDS sufferers in general, who had any issue with that op ed and that book.
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There was an NYT op ed and a book written by a whitehouse insider stating that there was a coalition of high level government operatives who were actively subverting the will of the president. This was framed as a group of "adults in the room" that, thank god, were there to protect America and the world from the worst tendencies of the Infant In Chief. This was, literally, bragging about a subversion of the institution of the presidency, and a subversion of the will of the voters who put Trump there, fair and square.
There was no backlash from the mainstream in response to this. Because they were so sure that righteous reasons existed for this absolutely fundamental destruction of the institution of the presidency. I found zero "principled" people on the left, or TDS sufferers in general, who had any issue with that op ed and that book.
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@Catseye3 said in The hearings broadcast:
@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:
that book.
What was the title?
A Warning. Apparently the author of that book and the op-ed is no longer anonymous. Miles Taylor. I'd never heard of him. After writing that book, he parlayed his public service job in the Dept of Homeland Security into an equally philanthropic role as a head of government interaction at Google. His social climbing is right on schedule, and was only hastened by his 'courageous' role in the Trump resistance. Glad he's looking out for all of us.
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Link to video
Statements by William Barr and Ivanka Trump.
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Link to video
Statements by William Barr and Ivanka Trump.
@Axtremus said in The hearings broadcast:
Link to video
Statements by William Barr and Ivanka Trump.
That aligns with my conclusions as well.
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You will notice she did not say she agreed with Barr, only that she respected him and accepted what he was saying.
The editing was done to imply that she did. Just as Jim Jordan's text was tortured to give another false impression.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Trump here. I believe he bears great responsibility for Jan 6. I'm just pointing out that the commission is no more honest than he was.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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You will notice she did not say she agreed with Barr, only that she respected him and accepted what he was saying.
The editing was done to imply that she did. Just as Jim Jordan's text was tortured to give another false impression.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Trump here. I believe he bears great responsibility for Jan 6. I'm just pointing out that the commission is no more honest than he was.
@Mik said in The hearings broadcast:
You will notice she did not say she agreed with Barr, only that she respected him and accepted what he was saying.
The editing was done to imply that she did. Just as Jim Jordan's text was tortured to give another false impression.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Trump here. I believe he bears great responsibility for Jan 6. I'm just pointing out that the commission is no more honest than he was.
- A hand-picked, Select Committee with predisposed outcome.
- Edited testimony and documents.
- No cross examination of witnesses. Not really.
- Primetime public whatever-the-hell-that-thing-was. It certainly didn't present facts.
- Collusion by MSM to provide primetime airtime. Consider it free advertising for the DNC.
- No mention of the FBI findings, stating that there was NO insurrection. An FBI that has been documented as having lied to make Trump look bad.
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@Mik said in The hearings broadcast:
You will notice she did not say she agreed with Barr, only that she respected him and accepted what he was saying.
The editing was done to imply that she did. Just as Jim Jordan's text was tortured to give another false impression.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Trump here. I believe he bears great responsibility for Jan 6. I'm just pointing out that the commission is no more honest than he was.
- A hand-picked, Select Committee with predisposed outcome.
- Edited testimony and documents.
- No cross examination of witnesses. Not really.
- Primetime public whatever-the-hell-that-thing-was. It certainly didn't present facts.
- Collusion by MSM to provide primetime airtime. Consider it free advertising for the DNC.
- No mention of the FBI findings, stating that there was NO insurrection. An FBI that has been documented as having lied to make Trump look bad.
@Jolly said in The hearings broadcast:
@Mik said in The hearings broadcast:
You will notice she did not say she agreed with Barr, only that she respected him and accepted what he was saying.
The editing was done to imply that she did. Just as Jim Jordan's text was tortured to give another false impression.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Trump here. I believe he bears great responsibility for Jan 6. I'm just pointing out that the commission is no more honest than he was.
- A hand-picked, Select Committee with predisposed outcome.
- Edited testimony and documents.
- No cross examination of witnesses. Not really.
- Primetime public whatever-the-hell-that-thing-was. It certainly didn't present facts.
- Collusion by MSM to provide primetime airtime. Consider it free advertising for the DNC.
- No mention of the FBI findings, stating that there was NO insurrection. An FBI that has been documented as having lied to make Trump look bad.
This sort of cultural domination by a political party, with the kangaroo courts and public displays of force to put fear into hearts, is exactly what the left spent so much time warning us about when we elected Donald Trump.
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You will notice she did not say she agreed with Barr, only that she respected him and accepted what he was saying.
The editing was done to imply that she did. Just as Jim Jordan's text was tortured to give another false impression.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Trump here. I believe he bears great responsibility for Jan 6. I'm just pointing out that the commission is no more honest than he was.
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@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
there isn’t more outrage of a sitting President saying his VP should be hanged.
Got a direct quote for that, or is it "an unnamed person, said that POTUS said that?"
Because the right to cross-examine someone is fundamental to our system. This show doesn't rise to that standard.
Besides, what's the actual goal here?
Impeachment? Too late.
Criminal charges? Against whom, exactly?
Outrage? Look! Squirrel (pay no attention to the gas prices)SRSLY, what is the point here?
@George-K said in The hearings broadcast:
Got a direct quote for that, or is it "an unnamed person, said that POTUS said that?"
I think my first or second post was asking if there was evidence of him saying it since I didn't watch the hearings. Later it shifted to a sadness that the reaction of "lol that's just Trump being Trump" is how low the bar as been lowered if indeed he did say that Pence deserves to be hanged.
BTW what's the point? I think Congress has a duty to provide a very clear and accurate picture of what happened that day. I'd say that if it was Obama or Biden at the microphone that day telling his supporters that they should march and confront Congress, that they need to fight like hell, that they can't let an illegitimate president be sworn in, etc.
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@George-K said in The hearings broadcast:
Got a direct quote for that, or is it "an unnamed person, said that POTUS said that?"
I think my first or second post was asking if there was evidence of him saying it since I didn't watch the hearings. Later it shifted to a sadness that the reaction of "lol that's just Trump being Trump" is how low the bar as been lowered if indeed he did say that Pence deserves to be hanged.
BTW what's the point? I think Congress has a duty to provide a very clear and accurate picture of what happened that day. I'd say that if it was Obama or Biden at the microphone that day telling his supporters that they should march and confront Congress, that they need to fight like hell, that they can't let an illegitimate president be sworn in, etc.
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@George-K said in The hearings broadcast:
Got a direct quote for that, or is it "an unnamed person, said that POTUS said that?"
I think my first or second post was asking if there was evidence of him saying it since I didn't watch the hearings. Later it shifted to a sadness that the reaction of "lol that's just Trump being Trump" is how low the bar as been lowered if indeed he did say that Pence deserves to be hanged.
It's not coherent or fair to hold people to some standard of outrage over an event that may or may not have occurred. There is plenty of factual common ground we can use to explore differences of opinion and reaction to Jan 6. It's not fair to take this salacious hypothetical, which happens make it sound like there really was an insurrection afoot, and judge people for their reactions to it.
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@Mik said in The hearings broadcast:
You will notice she did not say she agreed with Barr, only that she respected him and accepted what he was saying. ...
Yeah, but what do you think of William Barr's testimony?
@Axtremus said in The hearings broadcast:
@Mik said in The hearings broadcast:
You will notice she did not say she agreed with Barr, only that she respected him and accepted what he was saying. ...
Yeah, but what do you think of William Barr's testimony?
You posted both. You tell me.
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@George-K said in The hearings broadcast:
Got a direct quote for that, or is it "an unnamed person, said that POTUS said that?"
I think my first or second post was asking if there was evidence of him saying it since I didn't watch the hearings. Later it shifted to a sadness that the reaction of "lol that's just Trump being Trump" is how low the bar as been lowered if indeed he did say that Pence deserves to be hanged.
BTW what's the point? I think Congress has a duty to provide a very clear and accurate picture of what happened that day. I'd say that if it was Obama or Biden at the microphone that day telling his supporters that they should march and confront Congress, that they need to fight like hell, that they can't let an illegitimate president be sworn in, etc.
@89th said in The hearings broadcast:
@George-K said in The hearings broadcast:
Got a direct quote for that, or is it "an unnamed person, said that POTUS said that?"
I think my first or second post was asking if there was evidence of him saying it since I didn't watch the hearings. Later it shifted to a sadness that the reaction of "lol that's just Trump being Trump" is how low the bar as been lowered if indeed he did say that Pence deserves to be hanged.
BTW what's the point? I think Congress has a duty to provide a very clear and accurate picture of what happened that day. I'd say that if it was Obama or Biden at the microphone that day telling his supporters that they should march and confront Congress, that they need to fight like hell, that they can't let an illegitimate president be sworn in, etc.
And he also told them to go home.
But you're not going to see that.Besides, you've already made up your mind, so let's not confuse you with facts.
