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  • AxtremusA Away
    AxtremusA Away
    Axtremus
    wrote on last edited by
    #104

    What are the general guidelines for how much one can reasonably borrow for education to become a professional at something (e.g., a teacher, a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer)?

    How would you advise your own kids on this?

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      What idiot borrows over 300 grand to be a teacher?

      And who would lend it to her?

      MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #105

      @Jolly said in Student loans:

      What idiot borrows over 300 grand to be a teacher?

      And who would lend it to her?

      A. Someone who wants an Ivy League degree but has no money OR someone who wants to life the high life in college

      B. Gummint. $303,000 were gummint loans, $20,000 private.

      But yeah, that needs to be looked at when the debt is so out of proportion to the potential earnings.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

      LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
      • MikM Mik

        In this article is exactly the people I do not sympathize with. $323,000 debt to be a teacher.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/meet-a-teacher-with-303-000-in-student-debt-who-says-biden-s-10-000-loan-forgiveness-plan-is-not-even-a-drop-in-the-bucket/ar-AAY6vJH?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=04733097338b4f309e171b9adcda9a58

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on last edited by
        #106

        @Mik said in Student loans:

        In this article is exactly the people I do not sympathize with. $323,000 debt to be a teacher.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/meet-a-teacher-with-303-000-in-student-debt-who-says-biden-s-10-000-loan-forgiveness-plan-is-not-even-a-drop-in-the-bucket/ar-AAY6vJH?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=04733097338b4f309e171b9adcda9a58

        That's $80K a YEAR?!!!

        The Brad

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote on last edited by Mik
          #107

          Nah. Only $50K a year. She got a master's too.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            @Jolly said in Student loans:

            What idiot borrows over 300 grand to be a teacher?

            And who would lend it to her?

            A. Someone who wants an Ivy League degree but has no money OR someone who wants to life the high life in college

            B. Gummint. $303,000 were gummint loans, $20,000 private.

            But yeah, that needs to be looked at when the debt is so out of proportion to the potential earnings.

            LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on last edited by
            #108

            @Mik said in Student loans:

            @Jolly said in Student loans:

            What idiot borrows over 300 grand to be a teacher?

            And who would lend it to her?

            A. Someone who wants an Ivy League degree but has no money OR someone who wants to life the high life in college

            B. Gummint. $303,000 were gummint loans, $20,000 private.

            But yeah, that needs to be looked at when the debt is so out of proportion to the potential earnings.

            NO... Federal student loans are limited to $57500 if the student is independent and $31000 if a dependent.

            The Brad

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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #109

              There's no end to the stupid consequences when society has a full stop mentality that more education is good, hang the expense.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @Mik said in Student loans:

                @Jolly said in Student loans:

                What idiot borrows over 300 grand to be a teacher?

                And who would lend it to her?

                A. Someone who wants an Ivy League degree but has no money OR someone who wants to life the high life in college

                B. Gummint. $303,000 were gummint loans, $20,000 private.

                But yeah, that needs to be looked at when the debt is so out of proportion to the potential earnings.

                NO... Federal student loans are limited to $57500 if the student is independent and $31000 if a dependent.

                LuFins DadL Offline
                LuFins DadL Offline
                LuFins Dad
                wrote on last edited by
                #110

                @LuFins-Dad said in Student loans:

                @Mik said in Student loans:

                @Jolly said in Student loans:

                What idiot borrows over 300 grand to be a teacher?

                And who would lend it to her?

                A. Someone who wants an Ivy League degree but has no money OR someone who wants to life the high life in college

                B. Gummint. $303,000 were gummint loans, $20,000 private.

                But yeah, that needs to be looked at when the debt is so out of proportion to the potential earnings.

                NO... Federal student loans are limited to $57500 if the student is independent and $31000 if a dependent.

                And that's the total over 4 years, not annual.

                The Brad

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  @Mik said in Student loans:

                  @Jolly said in Student loans:

                  What idiot borrows over 300 grand to be a teacher?

                  And who would lend it to her?

                  A. Someone who wants an Ivy League degree but has no money OR someone who wants to life the high life in college

                  B. Gummint. $303,000 were gummint loans, $20,000 private.

                  But yeah, that needs to be looked at when the debt is so out of proportion to the potential earnings.

                  NO... Federal student loans are limited to $57500 if the student is independent and $31000 if a dependent.

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                  Horace
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #111

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Student loans:

                  @Mik said in Student loans:

                  @Jolly said in Student loans:

                  What idiot borrows over 300 grand to be a teacher?

                  And who would lend it to her?

                  A. Someone who wants an Ivy League degree but has no money OR someone who wants to life the high life in college

                  B. Gummint. $303,000 were gummint loans, $20,000 private.

                  But yeah, that needs to be looked at when the debt is so out of proportion to the potential earnings.

                  NO... Federal student loans are limited to $57500 if the student is independent and $31000 if a dependent.

                  So, I wonder what hijinx is involved that a private, profit motivated company would loan this woman that money? I guess the fact that the loans can't be discharged in bankruptcy would be a factor. I think jon mentioned that.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #112

                    Wait a minute... The woman is 53 years old and was in forbearance while she was in school.

                    Who wants to bet that she went to school in her mid to late 30s full time, lived completely off of student loans, those loans were through Sally Mae making her think they were federal when most weren't, and probably stayed in school to get her masters just because she was stuck living off loans?

                    The Brad

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      Wait a minute... The woman is 53 years old and was in forbearance while she was in school.

                      Who wants to bet that she went to school in her mid to late 30s full time, lived completely off of student loans, those loans were through Sally Mae making her think they were federal when most weren't, and probably stayed in school to get her masters just because she was stuck living off loans?

                      AxtremusA Away
                      AxtremusA Away
                      Axtremus
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #113

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Student loans:

                      Wait a minute... The woman is 53 years old and was in forbearance while she was in school.

                      Who wants to bet that she went to school in her mid to late 30s full time, lived completely off of student loans, those loans were through Sally Mae making her think they were federal when most weren't, and probably stayed in school to get her masters just because she was stuck living off loans?

                      While it may evoke the feeling of righteousness panning that teacher's unwise decisions, cases like her's are not driving policy proposals. Biden proposed $10k per head for student loan forgiveness, and now Biden is proposing the same $10k he campaigned on.

                      HoraceH MikM 2 Replies Last reply
                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Student loans:

                        Wait a minute... The woman is 53 years old and was in forbearance while she was in school.

                        Who wants to bet that she went to school in her mid to late 30s full time, lived completely off of student loans, those loans were through Sally Mae making her think they were federal when most weren't, and probably stayed in school to get her masters just because she was stuck living off loans?

                        While it may evoke the feeling of righteousness panning that teacher's unwise decisions, cases like her's are not driving policy proposals. Biden proposed $10k per head for student loan forgiveness, and now Biden is proposing the same $10k he campaigned on.

                        HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
                        wrote on last edited by Horace
                        #114

                        @Axtremus said in Student loans:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Student loans:

                        Wait a minute... The woman is 53 years old and was in forbearance while she was in school.

                        Who wants to bet that she went to school in her mid to late 30s full time, lived completely off of student loans, those loans were through Sally Mae making her think they were federal when most weren't, and probably stayed in school to get her masters just because she was stuck living off loans?

                        While it may evoke the feeling of righteousness panning that teacher's unwise decisions, cases like her's are not driving policy proposals.

                        Her case drove that sympathetic MSN article. Such sentiments, propagated by such mainstream media, do, in fact, drive policy. Anything that drives votes, drives policy. That's how that works.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Student loans:

                          Wait a minute... The woman is 53 years old and was in forbearance while she was in school.

                          Who wants to bet that she went to school in her mid to late 30s full time, lived completely off of student loans, those loans were through Sally Mae making her think they were federal when most weren't, and probably stayed in school to get her masters just because she was stuck living off loans?

                          While it may evoke the feeling of righteousness panning that teacher's unwise decisions, cases like her's are not driving policy proposals. Biden proposed $10k per head for student loan forgiveness, and now Biden is proposing the same $10k he campaigned on.

                          MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #115

                          @Axtremus said in Student loans:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Student loans:

                          Wait a minute... The woman is 53 years old and was in forbearance while she was in school.

                          Who wants to bet that she went to school in her mid to late 30s full time, lived completely off of student loans, those loans were through Sally Mae making her think they were federal when most weren't, and probably stayed in school to get her masters just because she was stuck living off loans?

                          While it may evoke the feeling of righteousness panning that teacher's unwise decisions, cases like her's are not driving policy proposals. Biden proposed $10k per head for student loan forgiveness, and now Biden is proposing the same $10k he campaigned on.

                          And he has a snowball's chance in hell of dragging that one to the finish line.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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