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  • CopperC Offline
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    Copper
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    “Companies are free to engage or not engage with whatever discourse they want, but clearly it’s inappropriate to be doing tax dollars for professional sports stadiums. It’s also inappropriate to subsidize political activism of a private corporation.”

    Yup, good for him.

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
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      #4

      The rise of the Banana Republican.

      Courts will likely block this as well as the Disney thing.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        #5

        Does Florida have line item veto?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          #6

          No idea but it wouldn’t change the constitutionality of it.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            #7

            Why not?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
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              #8

              It’s still punishing a company for the content of their speech.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                It’s still punishing a company for the content of their speech.

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                Catseye3
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                #9

                @jon-nyc Thank you. I'd decided I didn't know enough to speak up, but my initial reaction was that it looked like DeSantis was using the power of the purse to punish a group for expressing an opinion he didn't like.

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  #10

                  Yeah, it’s a step too far, but after seeing the companies that boycotted Georgia over a voter rights bill that was actually pretty tame and less restrictive than many other states, after seeing the corporate blowback against North Carolina for saying guys shouldn’t be peeing in the ladies restroom, and more… Yeah, I think it’s time for a little pushback against the corporate activism…

                  The Brad

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    #11

                    First amendment doesn’t compel private parties not to punish speech. But I agree with you it is foul. I have long bemoaned the loss of political DMZ.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      Yeah, it’s a step too far, but after seeing the companies that boycotted Georgia over a voter rights bill that was actually pretty tame and less restrictive than many other states, after seeing the corporate blowback against North Carolina for saying guys shouldn’t be peeing in the ladies restroom, and more… Yeah, I think it’s time for a little pushback against the corporate activism…

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                      Axtremus
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                      @LuFins-Dad said in DeSantis blocks funds because sports team tweeted something he doesn’t like:

                      ... I think it’s time for a little pushback against the corporate activism…

                      No, what you term "corporate activism" here is First Amendment protected speech. Individuals and private entities can "push back" if they want, but the state cannot. It is unconstitutional for the state to punish a private entity for the content of its speech.

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                      • HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
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                        Even if our liberal friends on TNCR are unable to distinguish arresting people for exercising free speech, from denying a corporation discretionary public funds, I suspect the courts will be able to.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                          #14

                          The punishment is the key fact. Doesn’t matter if the person was not by rights entitled to the thing that was taken away (eg promotion, contract). And yes there’s precedent.

                          Not to say it's a slam dunk - today's court is quite different from previous ones. Although I would imagine they fancy themselves strong on first amendment protections as well as suspicious of government overreach, they may turn out to be simple partisans behind all the prose and pageantry.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                          • jon-nycJ Online
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                            jon-nyc
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                            #15

                            I’m just curious, are there any conservatives here that are against this ? And the Disney thing?

                            For the purposes of my question, answers like “I would normally be against it, but the libs have gone too far, so…” don’t count as being against it.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Has DeSantis supported public monies for pro sports in the past? It seems to me the media is drawing a connection that may or may not be true.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                #17

                                You really say that with a straight face?

                                Or do you really mean something like “can anyone actually prove that this was retaliatory?”

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Sure. There's nothing to back up the assertion outside coincidence. If you have something more than your assumption, let's hear it.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    The punishment is the key fact. Doesn’t matter if the person was not by rights entitled to the thing that was taken away (eg promotion, contract). And yes there’s precedent.

                                    Not to say it's a slam dunk - today's court is quite different from previous ones. Although I would imagine they fancy themselves strong on first amendment protections as well as suspicious of government overreach, they may turn out to be simple partisans behind all the prose and pageantry.

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                                    @jon-nyc said in DeSantis blocks funds because sports team tweeted something he doesn’t like:

                                    The punishment is the key fact. Doesn’t matter if the person was not by rights entitled to the thing that was taken away (eg promotion, contract). And yes there’s precedent.

                                    Not to say it's a slam dunk - today's court is quite different from previous ones. Although I would imagine they fancy themselves strong on first amendment protections as well as suspicious of government overreach, they may turn out to be simple partisans behind all the prose and pageantry.

                                    So it's clearly unconstitutional, open and shut because precedent, but the supreme court might disagree because they're not as objective as you. Check.

                                    Please do feel free to list this precedent you think exists.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      I’m just curious, are there any conservatives here that are against this ? And the Disney thing?

                                      For the purposes of my question, answers like “I would normally be against it, but the libs have gone too far, so…” don’t count as being against it.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in DeSantis blocks funds because sports team tweeted something he doesn’t like:

                                      I’m just curious, are there any conservatives here that are against this ? And the Disney thing?

                                      I am against the analogies you conjure in your attempts to convince people that this is a bad thing, but the quality of those analogies is suspect. I'm not against, in principle, an elected politician exerting the will of the people who voted for him, in allocating discretionary public funds. I might not like the decisions sometimes, but such is life. If I dig into it deep enough, the first thing I look sideways at is discretionary public funds being funneled to private corporations. But before this stuff with Disney and the Rays, if you'd asked me, "Horace, do you suppose political alignment, or misalignment, has something to do with whether a private corporation would be given public funds?", I'd have said "Yes, I suppose it would." I would not have said that with a shocked face.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        Has DeSantis supported public monies for pro sports in the past? It seems to me the media is drawing a connection that may or may not be true.

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                                        @Mik said in DeSantis blocks funds because sports team tweeted something he doesn’t like:

                                        It seems to me the media is drawing a connection that may or may not be true.

                                        Yeah, I had the impression that this article might well have been written by a journalist biased against Disantis. Not something I'd want to form an opinion by.

                                        I emphasize might. I really don't know. But Florida, my god, is nothing if not made separate by its conformation and its issues.

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                          If Florida has a line item veto like Louisiana does, the governor will often single things out he does not like for whatever reason - political or fiscal.

                                          Down here, the veto can be overridden by a 2/3's vote of the Senate.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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