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DeSantis blocks funds because sports team tweeted something he doesn’t like

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    Axtremus
    wrote on 3 Jun 2022, 23:55 last edited by Axtremus 6 Apr 2022, 00:00
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    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/03/ron-desantis-blocks-funds-tampa-bay-rays-gun-safety

    The Tempa Rays tweeted about guns after the Uvalde school shooting, and DeSantis blocked funds for their stadium.

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      Larry
      wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 00:17 last edited by
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      I read his reasoning. Good for him.

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        Copper
        wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 00:55 last edited by
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        “Companies are free to engage or not engage with whatever discourse they want, but clearly it’s inappropriate to be doing tax dollars for professional sports stadiums. It’s also inappropriate to subsidize political activism of a private corporation.”

        Yup, good for him.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 01:16 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Apr 2022, 01:17
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          The rise of the Banana Republican.

          Courts will likely block this as well as the Disney thing.

          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 01:31 last edited by
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            Does Florida have line item veto?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 01:38 last edited by
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              No idea but it wouldn’t change the constitutionality of it.

              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                Jolly
                wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 01:39 last edited by
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                Why not?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 01:50 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Apr 2022, 01:50
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                  It’s still punishing a company for the content of their speech.

                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    4 Jun 2022, 01:50

                    It’s still punishing a company for the content of their speech.

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                    Catseye3
                    wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 01:56 last edited by
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                    @jon-nyc Thank you. I'd decided I didn't know enough to speak up, but my initial reaction was that it looked like DeSantis was using the power of the purse to punish a group for expressing an opinion he didn't like.

                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 02:26 last edited by
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                      Yeah, it’s a step too far, but after seeing the companies that boycotted Georgia over a voter rights bill that was actually pretty tame and less restrictive than many other states, after seeing the corporate blowback against North Carolina for saying guys shouldn’t be peeing in the ladies restroom, and more… Yeah, I think it’s time for a little pushback against the corporate activism…

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 02:30 last edited by
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                        First amendment doesn’t compel private parties not to punish speech. But I agree with you it is foul. I have long bemoaned the loss of political DMZ.

                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          4 Jun 2022, 02:26

                          Yeah, it’s a step too far, but after seeing the companies that boycotted Georgia over a voter rights bill that was actually pretty tame and less restrictive than many other states, after seeing the corporate blowback against North Carolina for saying guys shouldn’t be peeing in the ladies restroom, and more… Yeah, I think it’s time for a little pushback against the corporate activism…

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 02:35 last edited by
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                          @LuFins-Dad said in DeSantis blocks funds because sports team tweeted something he doesn’t like:

                          ... I think it’s time for a little pushback against the corporate activism…

                          No, what you term "corporate activism" here is First Amendment protected speech. Individuals and private entities can "push back" if they want, but the state cannot. It is unconstitutional for the state to punish a private entity for the content of its speech.

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 03:19 last edited by
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                            Even if our liberal friends on TNCR are unable to distinguish arresting people for exercising free speech, from denying a corporation discretionary public funds, I suspect the courts will be able to.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 08:52 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Apr 2022, 10:17
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                              The punishment is the key fact. Doesn’t matter if the person was not by rights entitled to the thing that was taken away (eg promotion, contract). And yes there’s precedent.

                              Not to say it's a slam dunk - today's court is quite different from previous ones. Although I would imagine they fancy themselves strong on first amendment protections as well as suspicious of government overreach, they may turn out to be simple partisans behind all the prose and pageantry.

                              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 09:00 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Apr 2022, 10:02
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                                I’m just curious, are there any conservatives here that are against this ? And the Disney thing?

                                For the purposes of my question, answers like “I would normally be against it, but the libs have gone too far, so…” don’t count as being against it.

                                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 10:20 last edited by
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                                  Has DeSantis supported public monies for pro sports in the past? It seems to me the media is drawing a connection that may or may not be true.

                                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 10:26 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Apr 2022, 10:28
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                                    You really say that with a straight face?

                                    Or do you really mean something like “can anyone actually prove that this was retaliatory?”

                                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 10:36 last edited by
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                                      Sure. There's nothing to back up the assertion outside coincidence. If you have something more than your assumption, let's hear it.

                                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                        4 Jun 2022, 08:52

                                        The punishment is the key fact. Doesn’t matter if the person was not by rights entitled to the thing that was taken away (eg promotion, contract). And yes there’s precedent.

                                        Not to say it's a slam dunk - today's court is quite different from previous ones. Although I would imagine they fancy themselves strong on first amendment protections as well as suspicious of government overreach, they may turn out to be simple partisans behind all the prose and pageantry.

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 11:33 last edited by
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                                        @jon-nyc said in DeSantis blocks funds because sports team tweeted something he doesn’t like:

                                        The punishment is the key fact. Doesn’t matter if the person was not by rights entitled to the thing that was taken away (eg promotion, contract). And yes there’s precedent.

                                        Not to say it's a slam dunk - today's court is quite different from previous ones. Although I would imagine they fancy themselves strong on first amendment protections as well as suspicious of government overreach, they may turn out to be simple partisans behind all the prose and pageantry.

                                        So it's clearly unconstitutional, open and shut because precedent, but the supreme court might disagree because they're not as objective as you. Check.

                                        Please do feel free to list this precedent you think exists.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          4 Jun 2022, 09:00

                                          I’m just curious, are there any conservatives here that are against this ? And the Disney thing?

                                          For the purposes of my question, answers like “I would normally be against it, but the libs have gone too far, so…” don’t count as being against it.

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on 4 Jun 2022, 11:38 last edited by
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                                          @jon-nyc said in DeSantis blocks funds because sports team tweeted something he doesn’t like:

                                          I’m just curious, are there any conservatives here that are against this ? And the Disney thing?

                                          I am against the analogies you conjure in your attempts to convince people that this is a bad thing, but the quality of those analogies is suspect. I'm not against, in principle, an elected politician exerting the will of the people who voted for him, in allocating discretionary public funds. I might not like the decisions sometimes, but such is life. If I dig into it deep enough, the first thing I look sideways at is discretionary public funds being funneled to private corporations. But before this stuff with Disney and the Rays, if you'd asked me, "Horace, do you suppose political alignment, or misalignment, has something to do with whether a private corporation would be given public funds?", I'd have said "Yes, I suppose it would." I would not have said that with a shocked face.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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