Texas shooting.
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Anybody who thinks we can't increase security without tax increases, must assume that the security is of less value than everything else we're spending current tax money on. Ax, is that what you believe? That security is important, just not more important than what we're already spending money on?
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Interesting. Both John Nance Garner (one of FDR’s VPs) and Matthew McConaughey are from Olvide.
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Matthew McConaughey are from Olvide.
He made an appearance a day or so ago.
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BTW, since 1966...
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20130124/mental-health-and-firearms
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@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
40 miles.
See, this is a good example of how NOT to publish the shooter's name. Bravo.
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@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
How long until Alex Jones starts terrorizing the parents?
Apparently because he wouldn't be doing so in my living room, it doesn't matter if he does or not.
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@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
How long until Alex Jones starts terrorizing the parents?
Apparently because he wouldn't be doing so in my living room, it doesn't matter if he does or not.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
How long until Alex Jones starts terrorizing the parents?
Apparently because he wouldn't be doing so in my living room, it doesn't matter if he does or not.
It doesn't impact you, that is correct.
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Maybe there was a reason he shot up the school...
https://nypost.com/2022/05/31/texas-shooters-grandma-taught-at-robb-elementary-school/
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Pretty cool, albeit heartbreaking:
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While oodles of people seem to be ganging up on the school police chief who had the 19 officers in the hallway, from what I've read on the timeline, his assumption that it was not an active shooting situation may have been reasonable. Standing in the hallway, the police could hear any shots going on in the classroom and would presume that he was shooting children. The only shots fired were through the door - at them. The school police chief was waiting for specialized personnel to attack with appropriate skill and equipment. The more I think about it, perhaps he was not so cowardly as has been presented.
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Heard on Sam Harris’s latest podcast with Graeme Wood (which I highly recommend) that Uvalde’s own training materials say to go in immediately, even if you’re the first on the scene. It goes in to say something to the effect of “if that’s not something you would be able to do then this is not the right line of work for you”.
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Heard on Sam Harris’s latest podcast with Graeme Wood (which I highly recommend) that Uvalde’s own training materials say to go in immediately, even if you’re the first on the scene. It goes in to say something to the effect of “if that’s not something you would be able to do then this is not the right line of work for you”.
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Heard on Sam Harris’s latest podcast with Graeme Wood (which I highly recommend) that Uvalde’s own training materials say to go in immediately, even if you’re the first on the scene. It goes in to say something to the effect of “if that’s not something you would be able to do then this is not the right line of work for you”.
I suppose they thought it was a barricaded shooter who wasn't able to do damage to anybody but himself, or potentially to officers storming into the room to take him down. The degree of miscommunication or willful ignorance that went into that thinking will have to be sussed out. But I suspect that was the mindset of the officers in the hallway at the time. There were so many of them that none of them probably felt personally responsible for the response. Just following orders, and assuming some rational informed decision making was going on above them in the chain of command.
Education is extremely important.
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@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Heard on Sam Harris’s latest podcast with Graeme Wood (which I highly recommend) that Uvalde’s own training materials say to go in immediately, even if you’re the first on the scene. It goes in to say something to the effect of “if that’s not something you would be able to do then this is not the right line of work for you”.
I suppose they thought it was a barricaded shooter who wasn't able to do damage to anybody but himself, or potentially to officers storming into the room to take him down. The degree of miscommunication or willful ignorance that went into that thinking will have to be sussed out. But I suspect that was the mindset of the officers in the hallway at the time. There were so many of them that none of them probably felt personally responsible for the response. Just following orders, and assuming some rational informed decision making was going on above them in the chain of command.
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Heard on Sam Harris’s latest podcast with Graeme Wood (which I highly recommend) that Uvalde’s own training materials say to go in immediately, even if you’re the first on the scene. It goes in to say something to the effect of “if that’s not something you would be able to do then this is not the right line of work for you”.
I suppose they thought it was a barricaded shooter who wasn't able to do damage to anybody but himself, or potentially to officers storming into the room to take him down.
Odd for them to request a hostage negotiator.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
If that happened and I were him I’d cooperate with the investigation.
Yeah, that's the thing. You can assume best intentions with the incident, but that kind of goes away after they refuse to cooperate with the investigation.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Heard on Sam Harris’s latest podcast with Graeme Wood (which I highly recommend) that Uvalde’s own training materials say to go in immediately, even if you’re the first on the scene. It goes in to say something to the effect of “if that’s not something you would be able to do then this is not the right line of work for you”.
I suppose they thought it was a barricaded shooter who wasn't able to do damage to anybody but himself, or potentially to officers storming into the room to take him down.
Odd for them to request a hostage negotiator.
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Heard on Sam Harris’s latest podcast with Graeme Wood (which I highly recommend) that Uvalde’s own training materials say to go in immediately, even if you’re the first on the scene. It goes in to say something to the effect of “if that’s not something you would be able to do then this is not the right line of work for you”.
I suppose they thought it was a barricaded shooter who wasn't able to do damage to anybody but himself, or potentially to officers storming into the room to take him down.
Odd for them to request a hostage negotiator.
I doubt the officers in the hallways were doing any requesting. Since we're condemning them as the front line cowards, we should probably come to an understanding of what they knew and were told at the time. Some decision maker completely screwed this situation. But that person likely wasn't at the school and wouldn't be motivated by cowardice per se.
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@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Heard on Sam Harris’s latest podcast with Graeme Wood (which I highly recommend) that Uvalde’s own training materials say to go in immediately, even if you’re the first on the scene. It goes in to say something to the effect of “if that’s not something you would be able to do then this is not the right line of work for you”.
I suppose they thought it was a barricaded shooter who wasn't able to do damage to anybody but himself, or potentially to officers storming into the room to take him down.
Odd for them to request a hostage negotiator.
I doubt the officers in the hallways were doing any requesting. Since we're condemning them as the front line cowards, we should probably come to an understanding of what they knew and were told at the time. Some decision maker completely screwed this situation. But that person likely wasn't at the school and wouldn't be motivated by cowardice per se.
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Heard on Sam Harris’s latest podcast with Graeme Wood (which I highly recommend) that Uvalde’s own training materials say to go in immediately, even if you’re the first on the scene. It goes in to say something to the effect of “if that’s not something you would be able to do then this is not the right line of work for you”.
I suppose they thought it was a barricaded shooter who wasn't able to do damage to anybody but himself, or potentially to officers storming into the room to take him down.
Odd for them to request a hostage negotiator.
I doubt the officers in the hallways were doing any requesting. Since we're condemning them as the front line cowards, we should probably come to an understanding of what they knew and were told at the time. Some decision maker completely screwed this situation. But that person likely wasn't at the school and wouldn't be motivated by cowardice per se.
The decision maker was on site. Your point that not everyone on the ground wanted to sit around and take TikTok vídeos is taken and no doubt true.
