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That darned DeSantis...

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    Jolly
    wrote on 10 May 2022, 18:53 last edited by
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/desantis-signs-bill-mandating-communism-lessons-in-class-as-gop-leans-on-education/ar-AAX5jFR?ocid=uxbndlbing

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      Mik
      wrote on 10 May 2022, 19:04 last edited by
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      Good. I have no issue with teaching honest history, but let's teach all of what is important. Stalin and Mao make Hitler look like a piker.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • M Mik
        10 May 2022, 19:04

        Good. I have no issue with teaching honest history, but let's teach all of what is important. Stalin and Mao make Hitler look like a piker.

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        Renauda
        wrote on 10 May 2022, 20:37 last edited by
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        @Mik

        All three are in the same weight class of bloodthirsty tyrants. Each one is loathsome in his own peculiar way. I would avoid any temptation to tally and itemise their individual degrees of heinousness for comparative analysis.

        Elbows up!

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 10 May 2022, 21:07 last edited by Doctor Phibes 5 Oct 2022, 21:07
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          Stalin, Mao and Hitler really only managed to kill so many more than those who came before them because of modern technology.

          I'm sure Oliver Cromwell, for example, would have happily killed as many if he'd been given the opportunity. Of course, he wasn't a Communist, but he still managed to kill over 40% of the Irish population.

          And they still name streets after the asshole.

          Do they teach that stuff in schools? If so, they presumably blame it on the English rather than a particularly joyless sect of Christianity.

          I was only joking

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          • D Doctor Phibes
            10 May 2022, 21:07

            Stalin, Mao and Hitler really only managed to kill so many more than those who came before them because of modern technology.

            I'm sure Oliver Cromwell, for example, would have happily killed as many if he'd been given the opportunity. Of course, he wasn't a Communist, but he still managed to kill over 40% of the Irish population.

            And they still name streets after the asshole.

            Do they teach that stuff in schools? If so, they presumably blame it on the English rather than a particularly joyless sect of Christianity.

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            Klaus
            wrote on 10 May 2022, 21:11 last edited by
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            @Doctor-Phibes said in That darned DeSantis...:

            And they still name streets after the asshole.

            History remembers names, not blood.

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            • K Klaus
              10 May 2022, 21:11

              @Doctor-Phibes said in That darned DeSantis...:

              And they still name streets after the asshole.

              History remembers names, not blood.

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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on 10 May 2022, 21:19 last edited by
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              @Klaus said in That darned DeSantis...:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in That darned DeSantis...:

              And they still name streets after the asshole.

              History remembers names, not blood.

              I'm not sure the Irish would see it that way. I'm actually a little surprised his statue is still up there in Westminster.

              I was only joking

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                Axtremus
                wrote on 11 May 2022, 00:24 last edited by
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                Ah, more of that "State dictating school curriculum" that Conservatives love so much. So much for "local control."

                Personally, though, I have no problem with teaching Communism (along with other major ideologies) in schools. The focus on Mao, Stalin, and Castro, however, seems to unnecessarily narrow the treatment of the subject. How can you skip over Marx and Lenin and still claim to teach Communism?

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 11 May 2022, 01:15 last edited by
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                  They're only mandating 30 minutes. Maybe they ran out of time.

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                  • J Jolly
                    11 May 2022, 01:15

                    They're only mandating 30 minutes. Maybe they ran out of time.

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                    Jolly
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                    • A Axtremus
                      11 May 2022, 00:24

                      Ah, more of that "State dictating school curriculum" that Conservatives love so much. So much for "local control."

                      Personally, though, I have no problem with teaching Communism (along with other major ideologies) in schools. The focus on Mao, Stalin, and Castro, however, seems to unnecessarily narrow the treatment of the subject. How can you skip over Marx and Lenin and still claim to teach Communism?

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                      Ivorythumper
                      wrote on 11 May 2022, 01:33 last edited by Ivorythumper 5 Nov 2022, 01:34
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                      @Axtremus said in That darned DeSantis...:

                      Ah, more of that "State dictating school curriculum" that Conservatives love so much. So much for "local control."

                      All public curricula is "state" mandated -- public education was long considered the proper domain of the State. You are confusing the criticisms of the DOE and "national curriculum" for the proper matter of State legislation.

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 11 May 2022, 14:59 last edited by
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                        With a study of communism, you could teach the difference between theory and practice in political systems.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          11 May 2022, 00:24

                          Ah, more of that "State dictating school curriculum" that Conservatives love so much. So much for "local control."

                          Personally, though, I have no problem with teaching Communism (along with other major ideologies) in schools. The focus on Mao, Stalin, and Castro, however, seems to unnecessarily narrow the treatment of the subject. How can you skip over Marx and Lenin and still claim to teach Communism?

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 11 May 2022, 16:25 last edited by jon-nyc 5 Nov 2022, 16:25
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                          @Axtremus said in That darned DeSantis...:

                          Ah, more of that "State dictating school curriculum" that Conservatives love so much. So much for "local control."

                          Personally, though, I have no problem with teaching Communism (along with other major ideologies) in schools. The focus on Mao, Stalin, and Castro, however, seems to unnecessarily narrow the treatment of the subject. How can you skip over Marx and Lenin and still claim to teach Communism?

                          It's not a 'Communism in theory and practice' type course like you might have in college, it's specifically to communicate Communism's horrors. Remember it's in support of "Victims of Communism Day" or some such.

                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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