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  • JollyJ Jolly

    Yes, you would expect higher rates among the unvaxxed, but we were told, repeatedly, that if we were vaccinated we wouldn't die.

    Therefore, since we had 60,000 deaths in the U.S. in January, I would say that percentage is fairly significant.

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    @Jolly you, more than most of the general population, realizes, I am sure that science, diseases, and the study of them changes.

    In any case, if 1.5 years ago ,they said:

    "We have a vaccine. It will make you many times less likely to die of COVID. It is still possible to die of COVID, even if you have the vaccine, and the disease may mutate, and form different varieties. With these new varieties, there still is a chance that a vaccinated person will die of COVID. But we repeat, getting vacccinated improves your odds by alot"

    If they said the above, how would that change things?

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      "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations" - Joe Biden

      Now, tell me again...What part of that statement did I misunderstand?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Yes, you would expect higher rates among the unvaxxed, but we were told, repeatedly, that if we were vaccinated we wouldn't die.

        Therefore, since we had 60,000 deaths in the U.S. in January, I would say that percentage is fairly significant.

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        Renauda
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        @Jolly

        Yes, you would expect higher rates among the unvaxxed, but we were told, repeatedly, that if we were vaccinated we wouldn't die.

        Who are we? “We” were told nothing of the sort you describe. “We” were told that the vaccine would only lessen the chances of severe illness and complications leading to death. Fairly reasonable statement that has proven to be accurate. No silver bullet.

        There are folks here that would agree with you. To them I say they only heard and continue to believe what they want to hear. They are still wrong headed about the subject.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          @Jolly

          Yes, you would expect higher rates among the unvaxxed, but we were told, repeatedly, that if we were vaccinated we wouldn't die.

          Who are we? “We” were told nothing of the sort you describe. “We” were told that the vaccine would only lessen the chances of severe illness and complications leading to death. Fairly reasonable statement that has proven to be accurate. No silver bullet.

          There are folks here that would agree with you. To them I say they only heard and continue to believe what they want to hear. They are still wrong headed about the subject.

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          @Renauda said in COVID Death Among The Vaccinated:

          @Jolly

          Yes, you would expect higher rates among the unvaxxed, but we were told, repeatedly, that if we were vaccinated we wouldn't die.

          Who are we? “We” were told nothing of the sort you describe. “We” were told that the vaccine would only lessen the chances of severe illness and complications leading to death. Fairly reasonable statement that has proven to be accurate. No silver bullet.

          There are folks here that would agree with you. To them I say they only heard and continue to believe what they want to hear. They are still wrong headed about the subject.

          You need to listen to Mr. Biden. He's POTUS, a pretty important guy...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @Renauda said in COVID Death Among The Vaccinated:

            @Jolly

            Yes, you would expect higher rates among the unvaxxed, but we were told, repeatedly, that if we were vaccinated we wouldn't die.

            Who are we? “We” were told nothing of the sort you describe. “We” were told that the vaccine would only lessen the chances of severe illness and complications leading to death. Fairly reasonable statement that has proven to be accurate. No silver bullet.

            There are folks here that would agree with you. To them I say they only heard and continue to believe what they want to hear. They are still wrong headed about the subject.

            You need to listen to Mr. Biden. He's POTUS, a pretty important guy...

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            Renauda
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            #10

            @Jolly
            Actually, no need for me to listen to Mr. Biden.

            Not according to some folks.

            Not that I really care.

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              @Jolly

              Yes, you would expect higher rates among the unvaxxed, but we were told, repeatedly, that if we were vaccinated we wouldn't die.

              Who are we? “We” were told nothing of the sort you describe. “We” were told that the vaccine would only lessen the chances of severe illness and complications leading to death. Fairly reasonable statement that has proven to be accurate. No silver bullet.

              There are folks here that would agree with you. To them I say they only heard and continue to believe what they want to hear. They are still wrong headed about the subject.

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              @Renauda said in COVID Death Among The Vaccinated:

              @Jolly

              “We” were told nothing of the sort you describe. “We” were told that the vaccine would only lessen the chances of severe illness and complications leading to death. Fairly reasonable statement that has proven to be accurate. No silver bullet.

              We were told exactly what Jolly quoted.

              His Biden quote is accurate.

              I doubt if anyone believed it. I doubt Mr. Biden believed it.

              But the president decided to sell the vaccines by telling tall tales.

              His media machine even admits he was wrong, he was lying. But they do it in a gentle way.

              BIDEN: “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.” — town hall.

              THE FACTS: Again, he painted with too broad a brush

              too broad a brush

              nice

              https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-07-21/ap-fact-check-biden-inflates-jobs-impact-from-his-policies

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              • CopperC Copper

                @Renauda said in COVID Death Among The Vaccinated:

                @Jolly

                “We” were told nothing of the sort you describe. “We” were told that the vaccine would only lessen the chances of severe illness and complications leading to death. Fairly reasonable statement that has proven to be accurate. No silver bullet.

                We were told exactly what Jolly quoted.

                His Biden quote is accurate.

                I doubt if anyone believed it. I doubt Mr. Biden believed it.

                But the president decided to sell the vaccines by telling tall tales.

                His media machine even admits he was wrong, he was lying. But they do it in a gentle way.

                BIDEN: “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.” — town hall.

                THE FACTS: Again, he painted with too broad a brush

                too broad a brush

                nice

                https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-07-21/ap-fact-check-biden-inflates-jobs-impact-from-his-policies

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                @Copper

                We were told exactly what Jolly quoted.

                I have no doubt of that.

                We were told otherwise as I pointed out. We
                do not pay attention to what the POTUS has to say about public health matters that affect us.

                We are a very different “we” from yours and
                Jolly’s wee-wee.

                Elbows up!

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                  I was only joking

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                    Seems like a useless number without knowing the relative percentages of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Death rates for vaxxed vs unvaxxed is what shows efficacy.

                    In a country with 100% vaccination rates, all deaths will be among the vaccinated.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      Jolly
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                      60,000 deaths in January. 42% vaxxed.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        OTOH, there is a difference between dying with COVID and dying from COVID. I doubt those numbers take that into account. I suspect the elderly have very high vaccination rates.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Sure, any of these numbers need long explanations to make them absolutely accurate.

                          As we know, it is possible to be vaccinated and no longer have any anti-bodies.

                          But, I think the point was that Mr. Biden was handing out bad information. And he probably knew it, or should have known it.

                          He has never been very trustworthy, and this just makes him a little less.

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                            Mr. Biden only sats what the voice in his ear-piece tells him to say.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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