Alec Baldwin what the fuck
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But is the problem really whether he put his finger on the trigger? (apart from him lying about it) That's what you do in a movie. The problem was that the gun was loaded.
@Klaus said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
But is the problem really whether he put his finger on the trigger? (apart from him lying about it) That's what you do in a movie. The problem was that the gun was loaded.
Of course.
Baldwin claimed he pulled the hammer of the gun as far back as he could and released it, but never pulled the trigger of the gun. Baldwin admitted in interviews with authorities and during a televised interview that he was not aware there was a live round inside the revolver when he pointed it at Hutchins.
Granted that photo doesn't show him actually pulling the trigger, but his finger is clearly on it.
This photo is from a rehearsal. If he had his finger on the trigger during rehearsal, I'll venture it was there during shooting.
Also, speaking to a friend yesterday, he told me (and I don't know if it's true or not) that the responsibility for making sure a firearm is safe lies not only on the armorer, but also on the actor. BOTH are to check the weapon and ensure that it is safe.
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The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office released a trove of evidence in the case on Monday, which provided deeper insight into how the tragedy unfolded. Video from the release shows Baldwin rehearsing the scene where he shot Hutchins. The office told The Reload the footage does not include the fatal shot.
However, it does provide critical information on how the negligent discharge likely happened. The video shows Baldwin repeatedly drawing his gun while rehearsing a scene. It shows Baldwin clearly had his finger on the revolver’s trigger as he practiced the draw. In the last take of the video, he can be seen pulling the hammer back and releasing it while he has his finger on the trigger. The hammer clearly falls forward after being released.
As I said back in December, this was always the most likely scenario to explain how the gun fired. On a single-action revolver like the one Baldwin used, the hammer will catch on a series of sears when pulled back. However, depressing the trigger while pulling the hammer back will cause it to bypass those sears. If pulled back far enough before being released while the trigger is depressed, it could cause a live round in the cylinder to fire.
Baldwin has claimed he “didn’t pull the trigger.” However, his description of the shooting makes that hard to believe.
“I cock the gun. I go, ‘Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that?’” Baldwin told ABC. “And then I let go of the hammer of the gun, and the gun goes off. I let go of the hammer of the gun, the gun goes off.”
This is not possible without a severe mechanical defect in the gun or, more likely, the trigger being depressed. While it’s possible Baldwin kept his finger off the trigger during the shot, the video strongly suggests it’s unlikely. He had his finger on the trigger in these takes. He probably did during the final shot as well.
Baldwin may believe that, while his finger was on the trigger, he didn’t “pull” it. But it does not take much force to keep the trigger on a single-action revolver depressed enough to drop the sears which would otherwise catch a cocked hammer from engaging. That’s exactly what can be seen at the end of the rehearsal video.
Of course, this is only one part of the equation for what went horribly wrong on that set.
The presence of live ammunition on set, the failure of anyone who handled the gun to properly check whether it was unloaded, and the decision to film a shot with crew in the firing line of a real gun all contributed to the disaster. Multiple people had to fail in their obligation to ensure the production was safe for this to happen. It was never just one person making one mistake.
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Alec Baldwin may soon be criminally charged
DA Mary Carmack-Altwies filed an emergency request for $635,500, funds she says are necessary to prosecute up to four people in connection with the accident. The Los Angeles Times obtained a letter in which Carmack-Altwies lays out that her office is considering homicide charges, as well as gun violations, against four individuals.
"During the filming of [Rust], Alec Baldwin shot and killed Halyna Hutchins and injured Joel Souza while rehearsing a scene. Many individuals had handled the gun that ultimately killed Hutchins and injured [director Joel] Souza," Carmack-Altwies wrote in the request, which was also obtained by the New York Post.
Carmack-Altwies notes that "one of the possible defendants is well known movie actor Alec Baldwin."
"Since October of [2021], my office has been waiting for evidence to be examined by the FBI. The results of the investigation have now been returned to my office. Only a few items are outstanding but are expected any day," Carmack-Altwies adds. The DA's office was granted $317,750 for a potential prosecution.
Baldwin's lawyer tells Yahoo Entertainment it's premature to speculate that the actor could be criminally charged.
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This has always seemed so inexplicable to me, short of an intentional effort on someone’s part to create a tragedy.
How could you confuse live rounds with blanks?
I wouldn’t think they’re even sold in the same places.
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This has always seemed so inexplicable to me, short of an intentional effort on someone’s part to create a tragedy.
How could you confuse live rounds with blanks?
I wouldn’t think they’re even sold in the same places.
@jon-nyc said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
This has always seemed so inexplicable to me, short of an intentional effort on someone’s part to create a tragedy.
How could you confuse live rounds with blanks?
I wouldn’t think they’re even sold in the same places.
- You're not talking about the most gun-savvy people here. Most actors have atrocious shooting skills (Seagal and Keneau not among them). They go with what you hand them.
- It's the weapons master's job to make sure there are no live rounds on the set. There were.
As I've said from the get-go, this is a civil case, not criminal.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Negligent homicide is a crime.
I don’t know what the standard for it is in CA, but I could easily imagine this rising to it. Perhaps for more than one person on the set.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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Negligent homicide is a crime.
I don’t know what the standard for it is in CA, but I could easily imagine this rising to it. Perhaps for more than one person on the set.
@jon-nyc said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
Negligent homicide is a crime.
I don’t know what the standard for it is in CA, but I could easily imagine this rising to it. Perhaps for more than one person on the set.
On who's part?
Not Baldwin's.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@jon-nyc said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
Negligent homicide is a crime.
I don’t know what the standard for it is in CA, but I could easily imagine this rising to it. Perhaps for more than one person on the set.
On who's part?
Not Baldwin's.
@Jolly said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
@jon-nyc said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
Negligent homicide is a crime.
I don’t know what the standard for it is in CA, but I could easily imagine this rising to it. Perhaps for more than one person on the set.
On who's part?
Not Baldwin's.
Don’t forget that Baldwin’s culpability goes beyond being an actor. As producer he could be held responsible.
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@Jolly said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
@jon-nyc said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
Negligent homicide is a crime.
I don’t know what the standard for it is in CA, but I could easily imagine this rising to it. Perhaps for more than one person on the set.
On who's part?
Not Baldwin's.
Don’t forget that Baldwin’s culpability goes beyond being an actor. As producer he could be held responsible.
@LuFins-Dad said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
@Jolly said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
@jon-nyc said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
Negligent homicide is a crime.
I don’t know what the standard for it is in CA, but I could easily imagine this rising to it. Perhaps for more than one person on the set.
On who's part?
Not Baldwin's.
Don’t forget that Baldwin’s culpability goes beyond being an actor. As producer he could be held responsible.
It would have to be recklessness or negligence. I think since he is not the one responsible for the prop gun and has hired a person to take care of those details, negligence is a high hill to climb.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@jon-nyc said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
Negligent homicide is a crime.
I don’t know what the standard for it is in CA, but I could easily imagine this rising to it. Perhaps for more than one person on the set.
On who's part?
Not Baldwin's.
@Jolly said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
@jon-nyc said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:
Negligent homicide is a crime.
I don’t know what the standard for it is in CA, but I could easily imagine this rising to it. Perhaps for more than one person on the set.
On who's part?
Depends on the details. You’d need an investigation to answer that.
