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  • J Jolly
    23 Apr 2022, 12:39

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

    @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

    @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

    There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.

    Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.

    It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.

    Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.

    If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.

    What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.

    Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.

    You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?

    Bad analogy.

    Is a single proprietorship the same as a corporation?

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    Ivorythumper
    wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 16:35 last edited by
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    @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

    @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

    @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

    There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.

    Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.

    It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.

    Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.

    If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.

    What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.

    Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.

    You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?

    Bad analogy.

    Is a single proprietorship the same as a corporation?

    Even worse than your criticism of Phibe’s bad analogy.

    Deciding to not transact with a costumer in a nonessential service is not promoting a political view. It’s not a political matter at all.

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    • I Ivorythumper
      23 Apr 2022, 16:27

      @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

      I guess we've discovered what it takes for Republicans to stand up to abuses by big business.

      It’s far more entertaining to watch the Democrats and the progressive Left lining up to defend raw capitalism and the rights of corporations to do what they want without government interference.

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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 16:36 last edited by Doctor Phibes
      #37

      @Ivorythumper said in Taking On The Mouse:

      @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

      I guess we've discovered what it takes for Republicans to stand up to abuses by big business.

      It’s far more entertaining to watch the Democrats and the progressive Left lining up to defend raw capitalism and the rights of corporations to do what they want without government interference.

      If there's one thing that unites us all in these difficult times it's an appreciation of the value of double standards

      I was only joking

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      • J Jolly
        23 Apr 2022, 15:30

        Look, if y'all want to get your panties in a wad over denying public school districts in the state teaching k-3 children that sexual perversion is just hunky dory or sex education in the most general and innocuous terms is just hunky dory, that's a hill I'll gladly die on. That has no business being in the curriculum of that age child. Mouse House, or no.

        If you are in favor of that, well...Says a lot more about you, than it does me.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 16:43 last edited by
        #38

        @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

        Look, if y'all want to get your panties in a wad over denying public school districts in the state teaching k-3 children that sexual perversion is just hunky dory or sex education in the most general and innocuous terms is just hunky dory, that's a hill I'll gladly die on. That has no business being in the curriculum of that age child. Mouse House, or no.

        If you are in favor of that, well...Says a lot more about you, than it does me.

        That's the same kind of bogus emotional reasoning people on the left use to try and stop racists from having freedom of speech, and calling anybody who defends their right to speak a racist in turn.

        Either you agree with freedom, or you don't. You can't just agree with people's freedom to do stuff that you approve of.

        I was only joking

        J 1 Reply Last reply 23 Apr 2022, 16:54
        • A Axtremus
          23 Apr 2022, 15:12

          @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

          Then tell companies to stay out of the political arena, unless it directly impacts their business.

          Keep talking like that and people might think that you want Citizens United v. the FEC overturned.

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          Ivorythumper
          wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 16:44 last edited by
          #39

          @Axtremus said in Taking On The Mouse:

          @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

          Then tell companies to stay out of the political arena, unless it directly impacts their business.

          Keep talking like that and people might think that you want Citizens United v. the FEC overturned.

          Most conservatives I know think CUvFC was among the worst SCOTUS decisions since Dred Scott.

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          • J Jolly
            23 Apr 2022, 13:53

            @Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:

            @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

            @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

            Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.

            Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.

            Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.

            Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?

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            Aqua Letifer
            wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 16:53 last edited by
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            @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

            @Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:

            @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

            @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

            Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.

            Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.

            Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.

            Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?

            That entirely depends on what you mean by "sex education." Showing toddlers what fisting means, no. Suspending a kid in high school because he reported bullies beating him up because he's gay, no, I'm not in favor of that. The details mean everything here.

            Please love yourself.

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            • D Doctor Phibes
              23 Apr 2022, 16:43

              @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

              Look, if y'all want to get your panties in a wad over denying public school districts in the state teaching k-3 children that sexual perversion is just hunky dory or sex education in the most general and innocuous terms is just hunky dory, that's a hill I'll gladly die on. That has no business being in the curriculum of that age child. Mouse House, or no.

              If you are in favor of that, well...Says a lot more about you, than it does me.

              That's the same kind of bogus emotional reasoning people on the left use to try and stop racists from having freedom of speech, and calling anybody who defends their right to speak a racist in turn.

              Either you agree with freedom, or you don't. You can't just agree with people's freedom to do stuff that you approve of.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 16:54 last edited by
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              @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

              @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

              Look, if y'all want to get your panties in a wad over denying public school districts in the state teaching k-3 children that sexual perversion is just hunky dory or sex education in the most general and innocuous terms is just hunky dory, that's a hill I'll gladly die on. That has no business being in the curriculum of that age child. Mouse House, or no.

              If you are in favor of that, well...Says a lot more about you, than it does me.

              That's the same kind of bogus emotional reasoning people on the left use to try and stop racists from having freedom of speech, and calling anybody who defends their right to speak a racist in turn.

              Either you agree with freedom, or you don't. You can't just agree with people's freedom to do stuff that you approve of.

              That's inherently wrong. Nobody is denying any individual the right to speak or to have his viewpoint heard. But I retain the right to tell anybody that they are a slobbering idiot to promote the teaching of sex education in public schools to small children.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • J Jolly
                23 Apr 2022, 16:54

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

                @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                Look, if y'all want to get your panties in a wad over denying public school districts in the state teaching k-3 children that sexual perversion is just hunky dory or sex education in the most general and innocuous terms is just hunky dory, that's a hill I'll gladly die on. That has no business being in the curriculum of that age child. Mouse House, or no.

                If you are in favor of that, well...Says a lot more about you, than it does me.

                That's the same kind of bogus emotional reasoning people on the left use to try and stop racists from having freedom of speech, and calling anybody who defends their right to speak a racist in turn.

                Either you agree with freedom, or you don't. You can't just agree with people's freedom to do stuff that you approve of.

                That's inherently wrong. Nobody is denying any individual the right to speak or to have his viewpoint heard. But I retain the right to tell anybody that they are a slobbering idiot to promote the teaching of sex education in public schools to small children.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 16:58 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                #42

                @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

                @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                Look, if y'all want to get your panties in a wad over denying public school districts in the state teaching k-3 children that sexual perversion is just hunky dory or sex education in the most general and innocuous terms is just hunky dory, that's a hill I'll gladly die on. That has no business being in the curriculum of that age child. Mouse House, or no.

                If you are in favor of that, well...Says a lot more about you, than it does me.

                That's the same kind of bogus emotional reasoning people on the left use to try and stop racists from having freedom of speech, and calling anybody who defends their right to speak a racist in turn.

                Either you agree with freedom, or you don't. You can't just agree with people's freedom to do stuff that you approve of.

                That's inherently wrong. Nobody is denying any individual the right to speak or to have his viewpoint heard. But I retain the right to tell anybody that they are a slobbering idiot to promote the teaching of sex education in public schools to small children.

                I was making an analogy.

                The government is punishing a company because they don't agree with their opinions.

                Now, you can argue that this right should never have been given to Disney in the first place, but you shouldn't be defending a government punishing a company because it dares to disagree with the government.

                And you wouldn't be doing so if the government was trying to implement a policy you didn't like and/or the company was promoting something you approved of.

                I was only joking

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                • J jon-nyc
                  23 Apr 2022, 16:02

                  Thats not what we’re arguing about. We’re arguing about states punishing private actors for their political positions.

                  I get that’s pretty indefensible, so you are pretending we are arguing about the bill. But we’re not. We actually agree with the intent of the bill.

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                  Ivorythumper
                  wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 17:01 last edited by
                  #43

                  @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                  Thats not what we’re arguing about. We’re arguing about states punishing private actors for their political positions.

                  I get that’s pretty indefensible, so you are pretending we are arguing about the bill. But we’re not. We actually agree with the intent of the bill.

                  Which demonstrates the problem of CUvFEC. A corporation is not a moral agent or a real person, who is the primary political actor.

                  And actively promoting or sponsoring or lobbying for or underwriting clear political agenda is not merely a political “position” but a “political act”.

                  The State has both right and duty to frame laws toward the common good, and to punish actors who usurp the common weal or harm others. As a matter of prudence and jurisprudence, the State’s interests in public education trump the rights of corporations.

                  This is obviously a political matter properly (in the US per democratic republican processes) and corporations are organized and enfranchised to operate toward specific economic or common interest ends per their charter. For a State to punish a corporation for exceeding and violating its charter is not the same as “punishing private actors for their political positions”.

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                  • J jon-nyc
                    23 Apr 2022, 16:02

                    Thats not what we’re arguing about. We’re arguing about states punishing private actors for their political positions.

                    I get that’s pretty indefensible, so you are pretending we are arguing about the bill. But we’re not. We actually agree with the intent of the bill.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 17:05 last edited by
                    #44

                    @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                    Thats not what we’re arguing about. We’re arguing about states punishing private actors for their political positions.

                    I get that’s pretty indefensible, so you are pretending we are arguing about the bill. But we’re not. We actually agree with the intent of the bill.

                    Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.

                    Consider Gay Days at Disneyworld...Disney doesn't make a big public deal about it, but they are well aware it is happening, as they increase their stock of rainbow-themed merch. OTOH, the state of Florida doesn't make a big deal about it, either. After all, it's a private transaction between a company and private citizens. There are people in Florida who don't like it and people who will plan their family vacations x'ing out those days for prospective visits, but nobody is saying that gays should be turned away or not be allowed the same interaction of any other type guests with the park or its amenities.

                    Disney made a conscious decision to wade off into this political pit of early childhood sex education. If they wish to play politics, fine. Politics ain't beanbag.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                    J 1 Reply Last reply 23 Apr 2022, 18:13
                    • D Doctor Phibes
                      23 Apr 2022, 16:58

                      @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

                      @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                      Look, if y'all want to get your panties in a wad over denying public school districts in the state teaching k-3 children that sexual perversion is just hunky dory or sex education in the most general and innocuous terms is just hunky dory, that's a hill I'll gladly die on. That has no business being in the curriculum of that age child. Mouse House, or no.

                      If you are in favor of that, well...Says a lot more about you, than it does me.

                      That's the same kind of bogus emotional reasoning people on the left use to try and stop racists from having freedom of speech, and calling anybody who defends their right to speak a racist in turn.

                      Either you agree with freedom, or you don't. You can't just agree with people's freedom to do stuff that you approve of.

                      That's inherently wrong. Nobody is denying any individual the right to speak or to have his viewpoint heard. But I retain the right to tell anybody that they are a slobbering idiot to promote the teaching of sex education in public schools to small children.

                      I was making an analogy.

                      The government is punishing a company because they don't agree with their opinions.

                      Now, you can argue that this right should never have been given to Disney in the first place, but you shouldn't be defending a government punishing a company because it dares to disagree with the government.

                      And you wouldn't be doing so if the government was trying to implement a policy you didn't like and/or the company was promoting something you approved of.

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                      Copper
                      wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 17:58 last edited by Copper
                      #45

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

                      The government is punishing a company because they don't agree with their opinions.

                      They are punishing them because Disney announced that the company is committed to overturning a law enacted by elected officials.

                      Disney is attacking the state and it's system of government.

                      The isn't just a simple disagreement over a simple opinion.

                      And on top of that Disney has decided to side with people who want to teach kindergarten students about sex, and not plain old normal sex.

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                      • I Ivorythumper
                        23 Apr 2022, 16:44

                        @Axtremus said in Taking On The Mouse:

                        @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                        Then tell companies to stay out of the political arena, unless it directly impacts their business.

                        Keep talking like that and people might think that you want Citizens United v. the FEC overturned.

                        Most conservatives I know think CUvFC was among the worst SCOTUS decisions since Dred Scott.

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 18:00 last edited by
                        #46

                        @Ivorythumper said in Taking On The Mouse:

                        the worst SCOTUS decisions since Dred Scott.

                        Good point

                        Let's not forget racism

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                        • I Ivorythumper
                          23 Apr 2022, 17:01

                          @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                          Thats not what we’re arguing about. We’re arguing about states punishing private actors for their political positions.

                          I get that’s pretty indefensible, so you are pretending we are arguing about the bill. But we’re not. We actually agree with the intent of the bill.

                          Which demonstrates the problem of CUvFEC. A corporation is not a moral agent or a real person, who is the primary political actor.

                          And actively promoting or sponsoring or lobbying for or underwriting clear political agenda is not merely a political “position” but a “political act”.

                          The State has both right and duty to frame laws toward the common good, and to punish actors who usurp the common weal or harm others. As a matter of prudence and jurisprudence, the State’s interests in public education trump the rights of corporations.

                          This is obviously a political matter properly (in the US per democratic republican processes) and corporations are organized and enfranchised to operate toward specific economic or common interest ends per their charter. For a State to punish a corporation for exceeding and violating its charter is not the same as “punishing private actors for their political positions”.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 18:11 last edited by
                          #47

                          @Ivorythumper Lobbying and publicly supporting/opposing a bill is not exceeding any company’s charter. It happens literally every day in every state.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                          • J Jolly
                            23 Apr 2022, 17:05

                            @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                            Thats not what we’re arguing about. We’re arguing about states punishing private actors for their political positions.

                            I get that’s pretty indefensible, so you are pretending we are arguing about the bill. But we’re not. We actually agree with the intent of the bill.

                            Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.

                            Consider Gay Days at Disneyworld...Disney doesn't make a big public deal about it, but they are well aware it is happening, as they increase their stock of rainbow-themed merch. OTOH, the state of Florida doesn't make a big deal about it, either. After all, it's a private transaction between a company and private citizens. There are people in Florida who don't like it and people who will plan their family vacations x'ing out those days for prospective visits, but nobody is saying that gays should be turned away or not be allowed the same interaction of any other type guests with the park or its amenities.

                            Disney made a conscious decision to wade off into this political pit of early childhood sex education. If they wish to play politics, fine. Politics ain't beanbag.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 18:13 last edited by
                            #48

                            @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                            Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.

                            That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.

                            The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • J jon-nyc
                              23 Apr 2022, 18:11

                              @Ivorythumper Lobbying and publicly supporting/opposing a bill is not exceeding any company’s charter. It happens literally every day in every state.

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                              wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 18:27 last edited by
                              #49

                              @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                              @Ivorythumper Lobbying and publicly supporting/opposing a bill is not exceeding any company’s charter. It happens literally every day in every state.

                              Ermm…. Two obvious points:

                              1. that it happens does not mean it exceeds the charter.

                              2. a business corporation is organized for the functioning of the business.

                              That’s the whole point of a business corporation— lobbying for the direct interests of the industry is one thing, lobbying to shape public policy to a political agenda is quite another.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 18:44 last edited by
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                                The law makes no such distinction and anyway they would argue that the law makes it harder to recruit employees.

                                But let’s not even pretend that DeSantis is doing this out of some novel theory of corporate chartership. It’s simply political retribution using the apparatus of the state.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                • J jon-nyc
                                  23 Apr 2022, 18:13

                                  @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                  Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.

                                  That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.

                                  The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.

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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 21:47 last edited by Copper
                                  #51

                                  @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                  That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.

                                  Call me unacceptable, but I don't think Disney or the teachers should be encouraging kindergarten age boys to experiment with sex with each other.

                                  I understand that democrats consider this to be important training, they are entitled to this opinion.

                                  Disney is of course entitled to encourage kiddies to study deviant sex practices. This encouragement is the very foundation of our civilization.

                                  I just think they could maybe wait a while and maybe focus on teaching the alphabet and multiplication tables. I think some other parents agree with this opinion.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 22:25 last edited by
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                                    Where on the spectrum of political outrage does this lie?

                                    Just curious.

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                                    • J jon-nyc
                                      23 Apr 2022, 18:13

                                      @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                      Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.

                                      That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.

                                      The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 00:06 last edited by
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                                      @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                      @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                      Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.

                                      That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.

                                      The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.

                                      I think it’s troubling, but not on the same level as you. They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty. There is a difference…

                                      Now, as I mentioned earlier, the much more interesting case will be when Steamboat Willie’s trademark comes up before the Republican Congress next year.

                                      The Brad

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                                      • L LuFins Dad
                                        24 Apr 2022, 00:06

                                        @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                        @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                        Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.

                                        That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.

                                        The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.

                                        I think it’s troubling, but not on the same level as you. They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty. There is a difference…

                                        Now, as I mentioned earlier, the much more interesting case will be when Steamboat Willie’s trademark comes up before the Republican Congress next year.

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                                        wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 00:14 last edited by
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                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                        They aren’t punishing, but are instead removing privileges. Being forced to play on the same playing field as everyone is not a penalty.

                                        I really haven't followed this too closely, but your comment raises an interesting question: What other businesses have enjoyed the same perks as Disney?

                                        Of course, as @jon-nyc says, one could claim that the revocation of such perks is political, but, otoh, wasn't the original granting of said perks political as well?

                                        Why did Disney get them in the first place? Because they're big? Powerful? Tax-revenue generating?

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • J jon-nyc
                                          23 Apr 2022, 18:13

                                          @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                          Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.

                                          That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.

                                          The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 00:46 last edited by
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                                          @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                          @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                          Ron DeSantis didn't go pounding on the front door of Cinderella's Castle, demanding anything from Disney. Disney is the entity that injected itself into the public arena on this issue.

                                          That’s true and entirely acceptable behavior.

                                          The government punishing it for having the wrong position on a bill is obscene.

                                          Grab the bull by the tail and you get the horns.

                                          This is not a tax bill that concerns Disney or a workplace bill that affects their employees. Disney has decided to not only influence the educational process of the state of Florida, but has also vowed to work against a statute duly enacted by the legislators of Florida and then signed into law by the governor of the state.

                                          By screwing up their tax status, Disney may have done irreparable harm to the most important people in this issue, the Disney shareholders.

                                          Maybe Disney needs a new CEO, who will concern himself more with the important people and tune out some of the Woke chatter...

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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