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  • George KG George K

    The article in the tweet, with comments from the RWEC:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/04/08/musk-twitter-equity-discrimination-speech/

    As the company’s largest shareholder, Musk will no doubt have outsize influence — and his clout will be magnified by the board seat. He can bend the company toward his preferences, removing reasonable policies on hateful speech and urging people who are harassed to have thicker skins. And he has a stick that he can use to further change Twitter: The implicit threat that he will buy a controlling stake in the company, and impose his will that way. (For now, he has pledged not to own more than 14.9 percent of the company, but he could change his mind and give up his board seat.)

    Musk’s appointment to Twitter’s board shows that we need regulation of social-media platforms to prevent rich people from controlling our channels of communication.

    "In the first place, does Pao know who owns the Washington Post? None other than Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon and now a multilateral uber-billionaire competing in the private-sector space race … against Musk. Oddly enough, Pao never mentions Bezos and his ownership of the “democracy dies in darkness” Post, even though Bezos’ net worth is now estimated around $180 billion. That’s not as much as Musk’s estimated net worth of $300 billion, but in practical terms, what’s the difference? Carlos Slim isn’t quite up to that level, having a personal net worth estimated at only $70.4 billion, but his ownership of 17.4% of the New York Times’ Class A shares makes Musk’s 9.2% of Twitter look paltry in comparison.

    "For that matter, Michael Bloomberg still owns a controlling interest in Bloomberg LP and its news and stock-ticker empires, but he founded the company rather than buying into it. That, clearly, has not made him any less of a “rich person” that is “controlling our channels of communication.” Did Pao raise this issue in 2020, when Bloomberg attempted to buy his way to the Democratic Party presidential nomination?

    Billionaire ownership of the Washington Post, NYT, Bloomberg, and their control of reportorial functions matters a whole lot more than social-media platforms to democracy. However, if we want to focus on social media platforms and other forms of communication, who owned and controlled Twitter and Facebook before last month? Billionaires like Jack Dorsey ($7.4 billion net worth), Mark Zuckerberg ($79.4 billion), and their associates. The same is true with internet providers, Hollywood studios, cell-phone manufacturers and service companies, and on and on and on. Corporate boards are comprised of the heaviest investors and/or their allies; very few if any people of modest means sit on them.

    Rich people have been controlling “our channels of communication” all along. Pao’s unhappy because the wrong “rich person” bought into the club.

    jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #84

    @George-K

    They don’t even have to get into whattaboutism. The piece was absurd on its face. Literally all of her points fell flat and were totally unrelated to the supposed topic of Musk’s support for free speech. Basically it was “Musk bends SEC rules and a few of his many thousands of employees have done bad things, ergo he won’t give you free speech”.

    You were warned.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      It would be interesting to know what’s behind this.

      Keep in mind the board seat came with him signing a “stand still agreement” limiting him to 14.9% of the stock. Thus no hostile takeover was possible.

      Without that agreement, Twitter has that possibility hanging over its head. It could give Musk even more influence.

      KlausK Offline
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      Klaus
      wrote on last edited by
      #85

      @jon-nyc said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

      It would be interesting to know what’s behind this.

      Why didn't they ask Musk in private whether he wants to be on the board or not before making the offer public?

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by
        #86

        I think he wanted the seat and then changed his mind later.

        You were warned.

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on last edited by
          #87

          I think it was all about the “code of conduct” that’s in the agreement. My guess is there was verbiage that would have limited Elon’s public behavior and posts.

          The Brad

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          • 89th8 Offline
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            89th
            wrote on last edited by
            #88

            Elon should tweet this morning, "board, more like bored amirite"

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #89

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • KlausK Offline
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                Klaus
                wrote on last edited by
                #90

                Hmmm...

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #91

                  As @jon-nyc said, being on the board limits the percentage of shares he could own. He is also obligated to act in the "best interests of the company."

                  Now, no such restrictions.

                  Somewhere, I read that employees are even more upset now, LOL.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #92

                    I've loved Iowahawk for years...

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #93

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        taiwan_girl
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #94

                        I dont use twitter at all, but obviously know what it is about, etc.

                        In the esteemed opinion of the forum brains:

                        If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                        If YOU were able to change things at Twitter, what would you do?

                        I guess I dont understand what the fear/happiness is if he buys a large share of Twitter.

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          I dont use twitter at all, but obviously know what it is about, etc.

                          In the esteemed opinion of the forum brains:

                          If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                          If YOU were able to change things at Twitter, what would you do?

                          I guess I dont understand what the fear/happiness is if he buys a large share of Twitter.

                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
                          Aqua Letifer
                          wrote on last edited by Aqua Letifer
                          #95

                          @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                          I dont use twitter at all, but obviously know what it is about, etc.

                          In the esteemed opinion of the forum brains:

                          If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                          If YOU were able to change things at Twitter, what would you do?

                          I guess I dont understand what the fear/happiness is if he buys a large share of Twitter.

                          I think Musk would have different motivations than current Twitter management, which I think would be a good thing for the platform. That's all I can say with some certainty.

                          Please love yourself.

                          taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
                          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                            @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            I dont use twitter at all, but obviously know what it is about, etc.

                            In the esteemed opinion of the forum brains:

                            If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                            If YOU were able to change things at Twitter, what would you do?

                            I guess I dont understand what the fear/happiness is if he buys a large share of Twitter.

                            I think Musk would have different motivations than current Twitter management, which I think would be a good thing for the platform. That's all I can say with some certainty.

                            taiwan_girlT Offline
                            taiwan_girlT Offline
                            taiwan_girl
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #96

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            I dont use twitter at all, but obviously know what it is about, etc.

                            In the esteemed opinion of the forum brains:

                            If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                            If YOU were able to change things at Twitter, what would you do?

                            I guess I dont understand what the fear/happiness is if he buys a large share of Twitter.

                            I think Musk would have different motivations than current Twitter management, which I think would be a good thing for the platform. That's all I can say with some certainty.

                            I think that makes sense, but to the 99% of people not directly involved with the compnay, what does that mean?

                            Shift in algorithm?
                            No moderation?
                            etc

                            HoraceH Aqua LetiferA 2 Replies Last reply
                            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              I dont use twitter at all, but obviously know what it is about, etc.

                              In the esteemed opinion of the forum brains:

                              If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                              If YOU were able to change things at Twitter, what would you do?

                              I guess I dont understand what the fear/happiness is if he buys a large share of Twitter.

                              I think Musk would have different motivations than current Twitter management, which I think would be a good thing for the platform. That's all I can say with some certainty.

                              I think that makes sense, but to the 99% of people not directly involved with the compnay, what does that mean?

                              Shift in algorithm?
                              No moderation?
                              etc

                              HoraceH Offline
                              HoraceH Offline
                              Horace
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #97

                              @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              I dont use twitter at all, but obviously know what it is about, etc.

                              In the esteemed opinion of the forum brains:

                              If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                              If YOU were able to change things at Twitter, what would you do?

                              I guess I dont understand what the fear/happiness is if he buys a large share of Twitter.

                              I think Musk would have different motivations than current Twitter management, which I think would be a good thing for the platform. That's all I can say with some certainty.

                              I think that makes sense, but to the 99% of people not directly involved with the compnay, what does that mean?

                              Shift in algorithm?
                              No moderation?
                              etc

                              Musk is an established proponent of "free speech", which is to say, he practices it, and has been known to utter opinions not in line with the woke narrative of the day. He is not a trusted member of that tribe, which may, to the bean counters at Twitter, seem dangerous. And of course it may seem dangerous to indoctrinated folk who get triggered when they are confronted by opinions that make them feel unsafe.

                              For practical purposes you might consider this to be a fear of less moderation, but there is also the notion that Musk will be considered a visible leader on the platform, regardless of practical effect. Think of how people felt their own self-image to be tarnished by Trump as their president. People don't like leaders they feel are icky, regardless of the practical effect of those leaders.

                              Education is extremely important.

                              CopperC 1 Reply Last reply
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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #98

                                Then again, it would probably be easy to overestimate how much anybody actually cares. Whatever reactions we're seeing are amplified by whatever media we consume those reactions through. Has anybody seen a random-sample reaction to this?

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  I dont use twitter at all, but obviously know what it is about, etc.

                                  In the esteemed opinion of the forum brains:

                                  If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                                  If YOU were able to change things at Twitter, what would you do?

                                  I guess I dont understand what the fear/happiness is if he buys a large share of Twitter.

                                  I think Musk would have different motivations than current Twitter management, which I think would be a good thing for the platform. That's all I can say with some certainty.

                                  I think that makes sense, but to the 99% of people not directly involved with the compnay, what does that mean?

                                  Shift in algorithm?
                                  No moderation?
                                  etc

                                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                  Aqua Letifer
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #99

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  I dont use twitter at all, but obviously know what it is about, etc.

                                  In the esteemed opinion of the forum brains:

                                  If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                                  If YOU were able to change things at Twitter, what would you do?

                                  I guess I dont understand what the fear/happiness is if he buys a large share of Twitter.

                                  I think Musk would have different motivations than current Twitter management, which I think would be a good thing for the platform. That's all I can say with some certainty.

                                  I think that makes sense, but to the 99% of people not directly involved with the compnay, what does that mean?

                                  Everything is speculation until it happens.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    I dont use twitter at all, but obviously know what it is about, etc.

                                    In the esteemed opinion of the forum brains:

                                    If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                                    If YOU were able to change things at Twitter, what would you do?

                                    I guess I dont understand what the fear/happiness is if he buys a large share of Twitter.

                                    X Offline
                                    X Offline
                                    xenon
                                    wrote on last edited by xenon
                                    #100

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                                    Fewer bans. Wouldn't have banned Trump.

                                    Other than that - not much.

                                    Trump could have set up a simple blog called "Trump thoughts" and just self-published.

                                    He was bigger than the platform.

                                    George KG AxtremusA 2 Replies Last reply
                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                      @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                      I dont use twitter at all, but obviously know what it is about, etc.

                                      In the esteemed opinion of the forum brains:

                                      If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                                      If YOU were able to change things at Twitter, what would you do?

                                      I guess I dont understand what the fear/happiness is if he buys a large share of Twitter.

                                      I think Musk would have different motivations than current Twitter management, which I think would be a good thing for the platform. That's all I can say with some certainty.

                                      I think that makes sense, but to the 99% of people not directly involved with the compnay, what does that mean?

                                      Shift in algorithm?
                                      No moderation?
                                      etc

                                      Musk is an established proponent of "free speech", which is to say, he practices it, and has been known to utter opinions not in line with the woke narrative of the day. He is not a trusted member of that tribe, which may, to the bean counters at Twitter, seem dangerous. And of course it may seem dangerous to indoctrinated folk who get triggered when they are confronted by opinions that make them feel unsafe.

                                      For practical purposes you might consider this to be a fear of less moderation, but there is also the notion that Musk will be considered a visible leader on the platform, regardless of practical effect. Think of how people felt their own self-image to be tarnished by Trump as their president. People don't like leaders they feel are icky, regardless of the practical effect of those leaders.

                                      CopperC Offline
                                      CopperC Offline
                                      Copper
                                      wrote on last edited by Copper
                                      #101

                                      @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                      People don't like leaders they feel are icky

                                      There can be no question that the most important trait of any leader today is, not icky.

                                      I am so happy that when I was a working man dealing with leaders, nobody had ever heard of not being icky.

                                      Tough Minded Managers were in demand.

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                                      • X xenon

                                        @taiwan_girl said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                        If Elon Musk buys a large share of Twitter, what do you think he will do to change things?

                                        Fewer bans. Wouldn't have banned Trump.

                                        Other than that - not much.

                                        Trump could have set up a simple blog called "Trump thoughts" and just self-published.

                                        He was bigger than the platform.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by George K
                                        #102

                                        @xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                        Fewer bans. Wouldn't have banned Trump.

                                        Other than that - not much.

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                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #103

                                          Bret Taylor
                                          Chairman of the Board,

                                          I invested in Twitter as I believe in its potential to be the platform for free speech around the globe, and I believe free speech is a societal imperative for a functioning democracy.

                                          However, since making my investment I now realize the company will neither thrive nor serve this societal imperative in its current form. Twitter needs to be transformed as a private company.

                                          As a result, I am offering to buy 100% of Twitter for $54.20 per share in cash, a 54% premium over the day before I began investing in Twitter and a 38% premium over the day before my investment was publicly announced. My offer is my best and final offer and if it is not accepted, I would need to reconsider my position as a shareholder.

                                          Twitter has extraordinary potential. I will unlock it.

                                          /s/ Elon Musk

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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