Travesty
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@George-K well, then he’s clearly a low integrity guy. Which is the actual assertion I’m making.
Pence was saying that his transition team wasn’t doing what Flynn was accused (?) of. And he didn’t seem to think it would be right for Flynn to have those talks during transition.
@George-K well, then he’s clearly a low integrity guy. Which is the actual assertion I’m making.
No. Again.
You asserted that he was fired because of inappropriate communications.
He resigned because he admitted to lying to VPOTUS.
Show me where he was fired because of what you claim were "inappropriate communications." You're moving goalposts.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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POTUS quote:
“He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable.”"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
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POTUS quote:
“He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable.”"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
POTUS quote:
“He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable.”"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
Actually, Trump asked Flynn to resign and Flynn submitted his resignation. Flynn was not actually fired.
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POTUS quote:
“He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable.”"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
Actually, Trump asked Flynn to resign and Flynn submitted his resignation. Flynn was not actually fired.
POTUS quote:
“He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable.”"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
Actually, Trump asked Flynn to resign and Flynn submitted his resignation. Flynn was not actually fired.
Ah, “asked to resign” is not “fired.” Bill Clinton would be proud of you.
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POTUS quote:
“He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable.”"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
Actually, Trump asked Flynn to resign and Flynn submitted his resignation. Flynn was not actually fired.
Ah, “asked to resign” is not “fired.” Bill Clinton would be proud of you.
POTUS quote:
“He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable.”"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
Actually, Trump asked Flynn to resign and Flynn submitted his resignation. Flynn was not actually fired.
Ah, “asked to resign” is not “fired.” Bill Clinton would be proud of you.
Hey, if Xenon can parse every word, why not?
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POTUS quote:
“He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable.”"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
Actually, Trump asked Flynn to resign and Flynn submitted his resignation. Flynn was not actually fired.
Ah, “asked to resign” is not “fired.” Bill Clinton would be proud of you.
Hey, if Xenon can parse every word, why not?
POTUS quote:
“He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable.”"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
Actually, Trump asked Flynn to resign and Flynn submitted his resignation. Flynn was not actually fired.
Ah, “asked to resign” is not “fired.” Bill Clinton would be proud of you.
Hey, if Xenon can parse every word, why not?
I did not say you cannot parse every word, I said only that Bill Clinton would be proud of you the way you parsed those words.
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@George-K well, then he’s clearly a low integrity guy. Which is the actual assertion I’m making.
No. Again.
You asserted that he was fired because of inappropriate communications.
He resigned because he admitted to lying to VPOTUS.
Show me where he was fired because of what you claim were "inappropriate communications." You're moving goalposts.
@George-K well, then he’s clearly a low integrity guy. Which is the actual assertion I’m making.
No. Again.
You asserted that he was fired because of inappropriate communications.
He resigned because he admitted to lying to VPOTUS.
Show me where he was fired because of what you claim were "inappropriate communications." You're moving goalposts.
@xenon said:
POTUS quote:
“He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable.”"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
Ah, so "lying" is "inappropriate communications."
Talk about parsing, LOL.
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@George-K well, then he’s clearly a low integrity guy. Which is the actual assertion I’m making.
No. Again.
You asserted that he was fired because of inappropriate communications.
He resigned because he admitted to lying to VPOTUS.
Show me where he was fired because of what you claim were "inappropriate communications." You're moving goalposts.
@xenon said:
POTUS quote:
“He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable.”"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
Ah, so "lying" is "inappropriate communications."
Talk about parsing, LOL.
@George-K there are a lot of arguments floating around here. So I’ll try to be clearer.
My main point has always been that Flynn is a liar and got fired for it. Got fired for low integrity.
As for the inappropriate part, I’ll admit I don’t know what the norm is here. I hear partisans arguing both sides. I can understand the notion of reaching out to your soon-to-be counterparts to get a running start, and I can also understand the part of not affecting policy (e.g. don’t escalate) until you are actually the administration in place. (From the Obama admin’s perspective, isn’t Flynn subverting their foreign policy?)
I don’t know anything about the legalities there.
Now - the reason why I say that the administration likely thought it was inappropriate is because they fired Flynn for his omission here. If it was a trivial or routine thing he misrepresented, then it’s easy to say - “we got our wires crossed” “Flynn, actually did a great job there, he should have told me about it more clearly” etc. etc.
But - yes, that is me interpreting. And in my mind that’s a secondary point. As I said to Jolly earlier in the thread “that’s not the point. But if it were...”
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I don’t know anything about FARA violations.
In terms of him not lying to the FBI, is this what you’re talking about:
If I’m reading that correctly - the trained FBI agents didn’t see physical evidence of deception from Flynn, but they knew that his statements were inconsistent with the call.
So either he’s really forgetful, or a good liar.
Is there something more you’re referring to?
"Director Comey testified to the committee that 'the agents…discerned no physical indications of deception. They didn't see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them,'" the report says, quoting Comey.
McCabe, the report continues, "confirmed the interviewing agent's initial impression and stated that the 'conundrum that we faced on their return from the interview is that although [the agents] didn't detect deception in the statements that he made in the interview … the statements were inconsistent with our understanding of the conversation that he had actually had with the ambassador.'""
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What, specifically, did he allegedly lie about, according to McCabe and Comey? What was the lie?
False Statements Regarding FLYNN’s Request to the Russian Ambassador that Russia Refrain from Escalating the Situation in Response to U.S. Sanctions against Russia
- On or about January 24, 2017, FLYNN agreed to be interviewed by agents from the FBI (“January 24 voluntary interview”). During the interview, FLYNN falsely stated that he did not ask Russia’s Ambassador to the United States (“Russian Ambassador”) to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia. FLYNN also falsely stated that he did not remember a follow-up conversation in which the Russian Ambassador stated that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of FLYNN’s request..
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4319576-Flynn-Statement-of-Offense.html#text/p1
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False Statements Regarding FLYNN’s Request to the Russian Ambassador that Russia Refrain from Escalating the Situation in Response to U.S. Sanctions against Russia
- On or about January 24, 2017, FLYNN agreed to be interviewed by agents from the FBI (“January 24 voluntary interview”). During the interview, FLYNN falsely stated that he did not ask Russia’s Ambassador to the United States (“Russian Ambassador”) to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia. FLYNN also falsely stated that he did not remember a follow-up conversation in which the Russian Ambassador stated that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of FLYNN’s request..
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4319576-Flynn-Statement-of-Offense.html#text/p1
False Statements Regarding FLYNN’s Request to the Russian Ambassador that Russia Refrain from Escalating the Situation in Response to U.S. Sanctions against Russia
- On or about January 24, 2017, FLYNN agreed to be interviewed by agents from the FBI (“January 24 voluntary interview”). During the interview, FLYNN falsely stated that he did not ask Russia’s Ambassador to the United States (“Russian Ambassador”) to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia. FLYNN also falsely stated that he did not remember a follow-up conversation in which the Russian Ambassador stated that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of FLYNN’s request..
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4319576-Flynn-Statement-of-Offense.html#text/p1
IOW, he simply may not have remembered. Apparently, you've never had to answer questions with an attorney present, give depositions or testify in court.
Flynn should have never consented to an interview without White House counsel present.
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I don’t know anything about FARA violations.
In terms of him not lying to the FBI, is this what you’re talking about:
If I’m reading that correctly - the trained FBI agents didn’t see physical evidence of deception from Flynn, but they knew that his statements were inconsistent with the call.
So either he’s really forgetful, or a good liar.
Is there something more you’re referring to?
"Director Comey testified to the committee that 'the agents…discerned no physical indications of deception. They didn't see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them,'" the report says, quoting Comey.
McCabe, the report continues, "confirmed the interviewing agent's initial impression and stated that the 'conundrum that we faced on their return from the interview is that although [the agents] didn't detect deception in the statements that he made in the interview … the statements were inconsistent with our understanding of the conversation that he had actually had with the ambassador.'""
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Not "fired." Rather "asked to resign."
Dana Boente, a longtime lawyer for the FBI, resigned on Saturday allegedly at the request of the Justice Department, following earlier allegations that he had worked to block the public release of exculpatory evidence in the Michael Flynn case.
Boente had been at the FBI for just under 40 years. Anonymous sources told NBC News on Saturday that the request for his resignation came from "high levels" of the Justice Department.
An FBI official told The Federalist in April that Boente "led the charge internally against DOJ’s disclosure" against allegedly exculpatory documents of Michael Flynn.
FBI Director Christopher Wray on Saturday commended Boente for serving in "many critical, high-level roles at the Department."
An FBI official told The Federalist in April that Boente "led the charge internally against DOJ’s disclosure" against allegedly exculpatory documents of Michael Flynn.
What?
Hidden "exculpatory evidence?" Is that like, evidence that he didn't lie?
And the guy who helped hide it "resigned" today.
Nothing to see...move along.
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