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  • KlausK Offline
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    Klaus
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    I'd say it is theoretically possible to have a standardized test which, all other things being equal, makes it statistically easier for members of one racial group.

    But I don't think the tests are like that, and from what I understand there is no data which would indicate that this is the case, despite many studies.

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    • KlausK Klaus

      I'd say it is theoretically possible to have a standardized test which, all other things being equal, makes it statistically easier for members of one racial group.

      But I don't think the tests are like that, and from what I understand there is no data which would indicate that this is the case, despite many studies.

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      Copper
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      @Klaus said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

      But I don't think the tests are like that, and from what I understand there is no data which would indicate that this is the case, despite many studies.

      No data is necessary.

      Everyone knows who is favored by standardized tests.

      Rich students get better SAT scores—here’s why
      https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/rich-students-get-better-sat-scores-heres-why.html

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        Well, duh ...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          #11

          Of course because intelligence and other behaviors that are linked to high test scores are heritable. Those same factors are much of the reason your household got well off in the first place.

          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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          • CopperC Offline
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            #12

            Yes, it is terrible that smart people get more privilege.

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            • CopperC Copper

              Yes, it is terrible that smart people get more privilege.

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              @Copper said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

              Yes, it is terrible that smart people get more privilege.

              I just hope they never come for the good looking people. There is enough of a target painted on my back as it is.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • X xenon

                It's easy to point and say "duh" - but I cannot understand the rationale for dropping the SAT/ACT at all. Like - at all.

                What other signal is more accessible, equitable and understood?

                As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.

                If you take the 2nd piece away - I wouldn't have known what to replace it with.

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                @xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

                As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.

                👆

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  @xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

                  As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.

                  👆

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                  @taiwan_girl said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

                  @xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

                  As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.

                  👆

                  You’re white adjacent. You don’t get it.

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    @taiwan_girl said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

                    @xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

                    As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.

                    👆

                    You’re white adjacent. You don’t get it.

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                    @LuFins-Dad I am not quite sure what you mean, but it sounds funny!!! 😂 😂

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                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      @LuFins-Dad I am not quite sure what you mean, but it sounds funny!!! 😂 😂

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                      @taiwan_girl said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

                      @LuFins-Dad I am not quite sure what you mean, but it sounds funny!!! 😂 😂

                      White adjacent is now the term used to describe minority groups that manage to succeed scholastically and financially under the oppressive system of systematically racist policies that are designed to keep the minorities in place. If you are a minority and are successful, then by definition you are white adjacent and should be treated as such. Xenon would fall into this category as well.

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @taiwan_girl said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

                        @LuFins-Dad I am not quite sure what you mean, but it sounds funny!!! 😂 😂

                        White adjacent is now the term used to describe minority groups that manage to succeed scholastically and financially under the oppressive system of systematically racist policies that are designed to keep the minorities in place. If you are a minority and are successful, then by definition you are white adjacent and should be treated as such. Xenon would fall into this category as well.

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                        Copper
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                        #18

                        @LuFins-Dad said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

                        White adjacent is now the term used to describe minority groups that manage to succeed scholastically and financially under the oppressive system of systematically racist policies that are designed to keep the minorities in place.

                        And if you exceed scholastically and financially under the oppressive system of systematically racist policies that are designed to keep the minorities in place, you are known as Irish.

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                          Meanwhile: https://www.calstate.edu/csu-system/news/Pages/trustees-vote-remove-SAT-ACT-standardized-tests-2022.aspx

                          The CSU Board of Trustees unanimously approved the Committee on Educational Policy's resolution to amend Title 5 of the California Code of Regulations to remove SAT and ACT standardized tests from undergraduate admissions. The board's action eliminates standardized tests in the university's undergraduate admissions processes.

                          “This decision aligns with the California State University's continued efforts to level the playing field and provide greater access to a high-quality college degree for students from all backgrounds," said Acting Chancellor Steve Relyea. “In essence, we are eliminating our reliance on a high-stress, high-stakes test that has shown negligible benefit and providing our applicants with greater opportunities to demonstrate their drive, talents and potential for college success."

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • CopperC Offline
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                            #20

                            Provide greater access to a high-quality college degree for students who are not qualified.

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                            • X xenon

                              It's easy to point and say "duh" - but I cannot understand the rationale for dropping the SAT/ACT at all. Like - at all.

                              What other signal is more accessible, equitable and understood?

                              As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.

                              If you take the 2nd piece away - I wouldn't have known what to replace it with.

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                              @xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

                              As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.

                              If you take the 2nd piece away - I wouldn't have known what to replace it with.

                              Same here. I didn't even know to visit colleges before choosing one. My parents never took me to look at any colleges, I just picked one that sounded good.

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                              • jon-nycJ Online
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                                jon-nyc
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                                I remember visiting colleges and going with my mom and sister when she visited colleges. This was early and mid 80s

                                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  I remember visiting colleges and going with my mom and sister when she visited colleges. This was early and mid 80s

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                                  @jon-nyc said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:

                                  I remember visiting colleges and going with my mom and sister when she visited colleges. This was early and mid 80s

                                  Was that 1980s or 1880s?

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                                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    Yes.

                                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                    • CopperC Offline
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                                      Copper
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                                      #25

                                      Boston College was 4 miles from my house, so I could walk there. My father went there, my grandfather went there. There was no need for any extra visit, an easy decision.

                                      When I started there the majority were commuters, after 4 years the majority were residents. I think it is now 100% residents. No more living in your parents house and walking to school.

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