MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement
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It's easy to point and say "duh" - but I cannot understand the rationale for dropping the SAT/ACT at all. Like - at all.
What other signal is more accessible, equitable and understood?
As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.
If you take the 2nd piece away - I wouldn't have known what to replace it with.
@xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
It's easy to point and say "duh" - but I cannot understand the rationale for dropping the SAT/ACT at all. Like - at all.
The educational establishment has decided it’s easier to stop measuring the performance gap than it is to fix it.
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It's called an "aptitude" test. It's specifically designed to measure "aptitude", which in common parlance means a natural ability. But every excuse the pop culturalites will give you for why it's bad, is based on the notion that it doesn't measure aptitude at all. And also, aptitude, when it comes to academics, doesn't exist and can't be measured anyway. The fact that every reasonable attempt at measuring it gives consistent results, is just more proof that aptitude is a slippery and unmeasurable concept. Just trust them, they are the experts. What are you, a science denier?
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@xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
It's easy to point and say "duh" - but I cannot understand the rationale for dropping the SAT/ACT at all. Like - at all.
The educational establishment has decided it’s easier to stop measuring the performance gap than it is to fix it.
@jon-nyc said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
@xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
It's easy to point and say "duh" - but I cannot understand the rationale for dropping the SAT/ACT at all. Like - at all.
The educational establishment has decided it’s easier to stop measuring the performance gap than it is to fix it.
Yeah - they may have also created a lot more new gaps and disparity in the outcomes of their freshman classes.
This is a pretty stark change after just one(?) yeah.
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I'd say it is theoretically possible to have a standardized test which, all other things being equal, makes it statistically easier for members of one racial group.
But I don't think the tests are like that, and from what I understand there is no data which would indicate that this is the case, despite many studies.
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I'd say it is theoretically possible to have a standardized test which, all other things being equal, makes it statistically easier for members of one racial group.
But I don't think the tests are like that, and from what I understand there is no data which would indicate that this is the case, despite many studies.
@Klaus said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
But I don't think the tests are like that, and from what I understand there is no data which would indicate that this is the case, despite many studies.
No data is necessary.
Everyone knows who is favored by standardized tests.
Rich students get better SAT scores—here’s why
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/rich-students-get-better-sat-scores-heres-why.html -
It's easy to point and say "duh" - but I cannot understand the rationale for dropping the SAT/ACT at all. Like - at all.
What other signal is more accessible, equitable and understood?
As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.
If you take the 2nd piece away - I wouldn't have known what to replace it with.
@xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.
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@xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.
@taiwan_girl said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
@xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.
You’re white adjacent. You don’t get it.
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@taiwan_girl said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
@xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.
You’re white adjacent. You don’t get it.
@LuFins-Dad I am not quite sure what you mean, but it sounds funny!!!
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@LuFins-Dad I am not quite sure what you mean, but it sounds funny!!!
@taiwan_girl said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
@LuFins-Dad I am not quite sure what you mean, but it sounds funny!!!
White adjacent is now the term used to describe minority groups that manage to succeed scholastically and financially under the oppressive system of systematically racist policies that are designed to keep the minorities in place. If you are a minority and are successful, then by definition you are white adjacent and should be treated as such. Xenon would fall into this category as well.
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@taiwan_girl said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
@LuFins-Dad I am not quite sure what you mean, but it sounds funny!!!
White adjacent is now the term used to describe minority groups that manage to succeed scholastically and financially under the oppressive system of systematically racist policies that are designed to keep the minorities in place. If you are a minority and are successful, then by definition you are white adjacent and should be treated as such. Xenon would fall into this category as well.
@LuFins-Dad said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
White adjacent is now the term used to describe minority groups that manage to succeed scholastically and financially under the oppressive system of systematically racist policies that are designed to keep the minorities in place.
And if you exceed scholastically and financially under the oppressive system of systematically racist policies that are designed to keep the minorities in place, you are known as Irish.
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The CSU Board of Trustees unanimously approved the Committee on Educational Policy's resolution to amend Title 5 of the California Code of Regulations to remove SAT and ACT standardized tests from undergraduate admissions. The board's action eliminates standardized tests in the university's undergraduate admissions processes.
“This decision aligns with the California State University's continued efforts to level the playing field and provide greater access to a high-quality college degree for students from all backgrounds," said Acting Chancellor Steve Relyea. “In essence, we are eliminating our reliance on a high-stress, high-stakes test that has shown negligible benefit and providing our applicants with greater opportunities to demonstrate their drive, talents and potential for college success."
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It's easy to point and say "duh" - but I cannot understand the rationale for dropping the SAT/ACT at all. Like - at all.
What other signal is more accessible, equitable and understood?
As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.
If you take the 2nd piece away - I wouldn't have known what to replace it with.
@xenon said in MIT reinstates SAT/ACT requirement:
As someone who was the first to graduate college in my family - all I knew was that you get good grades in high school and your college entrance exams.
If you take the 2nd piece away - I wouldn't have known what to replace it with.
Same here. I didn't even know to visit colleges before choosing one. My parents never took me to look at any colleges, I just picked one that sounded good.
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I remember visiting colleges and going with my mom and sister when she visited colleges. This was early and mid 80s
