Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse

The New Coffee Room

  1. TNCR
  2. General Discussion
  3. Inflation

Inflation

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Discussion
229 Posts 18 Posters 5.1k Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • George KG George K

    @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

    Example: 2020 was one of the worst economy years on record. President Trumps fault? Of course not. Many many things outside his control. Situation would probably have been the same if Sec. Clinton had won the president.

    Trump wasn't president until January 2021.

    2022 Inflation. President Bidens fault? Mostly not. (Thailand is experiencing worst inflation in 17 years for example). In big picture, situation would have been similar if President Trump won election.

    US inflation is highest in 40 years.

    (I AM NOT SAYING THE US PRESIDENT HAS NO IMPACT ON ECONOMY, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS OVER SAID)

    Yes, it's overstated, and as @jon-nyc said, there's a correlation between the infusion of funds and inflation, with a delay of months/years.

    But, perception is what determines elections, and since this has happened on Biden's watch, this is what voters will probably remember.

    jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #115

    @George-K said in Inflation:

    Trump wasn't president until January 2021.

    You misspelled ‘Biden’.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
    George KG 1 Reply Last reply
    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @George-K said in Inflation:

      Trump wasn't president until January 2021.

      You misspelled ‘Biden’.

      George KG Offline
      George KG Offline
      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #116

      @jon-nyc said in Inflation:

      @George-K said in Inflation:

      Trump wasn't president until January 2021.

      You misspelled ‘Biden’.

      Where's my facepalm gif when I need it? Help me out here, @jon-nyc !

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

      1 Reply Last reply
      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

        @Larry Then, I will go back to a question I asked a while ago, though I dont believe you answered?

        What are the five top data points that YOU use to measure the US economy? (for example, growing rate, unemployment, inflation, stock market grow, etc etc)

        Let me know, and I will do a comparison of these data points when there is a Republican president vs. a Democratic president and see if there is a major difference.

        LarryL Offline
        LarryL Offline
        Larry
        wrote on last edited by
        #117

        @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

        @Larry Then, I will go back to a question I asked a while ago, though I dont believe you answered?

        What are the five top data points that YOU use to measure the US economy? (for example, growing rate, unemployment, inflation, stock market grow, etc etc)

        Let me know, and I will do a comparison of these data points when there is a Republican president vs. a Democratic president and see if there is a major difference.

        F you have to have data points in order to figure out who shot John, he no wonder you think like you do.

        Try this - quit relying on data points and start looking at reality.

        taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
        • LarryL Larry

          @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

          @Larry Then, I will go back to a question I asked a while ago, though I dont believe you answered?

          What are the five top data points that YOU use to measure the US economy? (for example, growing rate, unemployment, inflation, stock market grow, etc etc)

          Let me know, and I will do a comparison of these data points when there is a Republican president vs. a Democratic president and see if there is a major difference.

          F you have to have data points in order to figure out who shot John, he no wonder you think like you do.

          Try this - quit relying on data points and start looking at reality.

          taiwan_girlT Offline
          taiwan_girlT Offline
          taiwan_girl
          wrote on last edited by
          #118

          @Larry What is the reality? ☺

          LarryL 1 Reply Last reply
          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            @Larry What is the reality? ☺

            LarryL Offline
            LarryL Offline
            Larry
            wrote on last edited by
            #119

            @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

            @Larry What is the reality? ☺

            That a president is NOT like a cheerleader. His decisions and policy moves have deep, long lasting effect both domestically and internationally. That your view that it doesnt matter who is in office because the outcome is the same either way is utterly wrong. You dont need data points to see that. Just pull up to a gas pump. Or any number of other things that are going on around you that utterly destroys your view. Anyone can make data points say whatever they want them to say. You can't however, escape reality. And the real world shows us in hundreds of ways every single day that your view is incorrect.

            taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
            • LarryL Larry

              @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

              @Larry What is the reality? ☺

              That a president is NOT like a cheerleader. His decisions and policy moves have deep, long lasting effect both domestically and internationally. That your view that it doesnt matter who is in office because the outcome is the same either way is utterly wrong. You dont need data points to see that. Just pull up to a gas pump. Or any number of other things that are going on around you that utterly destroys your view. Anyone can make data points say whatever they want them to say. You can't however, escape reality. And the real world shows us in hundreds of ways every single day that your view is incorrect.

              taiwan_girlT Offline
              taiwan_girlT Offline
              taiwan_girl
              wrote on last edited by
              #120

              @Larry My view is that the President gets too much blame and too much credit for the economy. FULL STOP.

              I am not saying that who is in office does not matter. I think in many things, like foreign relations, it certainly does.

              My impression is that you believe that the economy does much better under a Republican president. You may be right. All I am asking is what information you use to determine that.

              GDP grow?
              Unemployment %?
              Gas Prices?
              People confidence?
              Stock market grow?
              10 year treasury rate?
              Private sector payroll?
              Inflation?
              etc

              (PS. I think that President Biden is overall doing a terrible job, but that does not change my belief above)

              LarryL 1 Reply Last reply
              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                @Larry My view is that the President gets too much blame and too much credit for the economy. FULL STOP.

                I am not saying that who is in office does not matter. I think in many things, like foreign relations, it certainly does.

                My impression is that you believe that the economy does much better under a Republican president. You may be right. All I am asking is what information you use to determine that.

                GDP grow?
                Unemployment %?
                Gas Prices?
                People confidence?
                Stock market grow?
                10 year treasury rate?
                Private sector payroll?
                Inflation?
                etc

                (PS. I think that President Biden is overall doing a terrible job, but that does not change my belief above)

                LarryL Offline
                LarryL Offline
                Larry
                wrote on last edited by
                #121

                @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

                @Larry My view is that the President gets too much blame and too much credit for the economy. FULL STOP.

                I'm fully aware of what your view is.

                taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
                • HoraceH Offline
                  HoraceH Offline
                  Horace
                  wrote on last edited by Horace
                  #122

                  Presidents are given 94.6% of the credit they deserve for the economy. That is a full 5.4% underestimation of the credit they should be given. I don’t know about you, but I simply refuse to give less credit than is duly owed. When I see someone giving insufficient credit, I take it upon myself to give an offsetting increase in credit. To do otherwise is simply immoral.

                  Education is extremely important.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  • LarryL Larry

                    @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

                    @Larry My view is that the President gets too much blame and too much credit for the economy. FULL STOP.

                    I'm fully aware of what your view is.

                    taiwan_girlT Offline
                    taiwan_girlT Offline
                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #123

                    @Larry said in Inflation:

                    @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

                    @Larry My view is that the President gets too much blame and too much credit for the economy. FULL STOP.

                    I'm fully aware of what your view is.

                    But I am not aware of your view, other than "Democrats bad, Republicans good" 😊

                    I use the below to think how the economy is doing

                    GDP grow
                    Unemployment %
                    People confidence
                    Stock market grow
                    10 year treasury rate
                    Private sector payroll
                    Inflation

                    What do you use?

                    If you dont want to answer, that is fine. I can accept that, but it is hard, in my opinion, to have a discussion about the "performance" of the economy without some sort of data.

                    JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      @Larry said in Inflation:

                      @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

                      @Larry My view is that the President gets too much blame and too much credit for the economy. FULL STOP.

                      I'm fully aware of what your view is.

                      But I am not aware of your view, other than "Democrats bad, Republicans good" 😊

                      I use the below to think how the economy is doing

                      GDP grow
                      Unemployment %
                      People confidence
                      Stock market grow
                      10 year treasury rate
                      Private sector payroll
                      Inflation

                      What do you use?

                      If you dont want to answer, that is fine. I can accept that, but it is hard, in my opinion, to have a discussion about the "performance" of the economy without some sort of data.

                      JollyJ Offline
                      JollyJ Offline
                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #124

                      @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

                      @Larry said in Inflation:

                      @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

                      @Larry My view is that the President gets too much blame and too much credit for the economy. FULL STOP.

                      I'm fully aware of what your view is.

                      But I am not aware of your view, other than "Democrats bad, Republicans good" 😊

                      I use the below to think how the economy is doing

                      GDP grow
                      Unemployment %
                      People confidence
                      Stock market grow
                      10 year treasury rate
                      Private sector payroll
                      Inflation

                      What do you use?

                      If you dont want to answer, that is fine. I can accept that, but it is hard, in my opinion, to have a discussion about the "performance" of the economy without some sort of data.

                      Larry is saying you live in a world of data. Data can be manipulated. Figures lie and liars figure, so to speak.

                      Folks that actually live out there in the real world, who are currently eating chicken instead of beef roast, trying to keep old jalopies running because the price of new and used cars has gone through the roof, shaking their head at $90,000 pickups, let alone contemplating whether to fill their car up with gas or eat, and wondering how in the hell they'll ever afford a home, can certainly fill you in on the finer points of inflation and who caused it.

                      And you know, all your neat figures don't mean a damn to those people.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                      taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

                        @Larry said in Inflation:

                        @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

                        @Larry My view is that the President gets too much blame and too much credit for the economy. FULL STOP.

                        I'm fully aware of what your view is.

                        But I am not aware of your view, other than "Democrats bad, Republicans good" 😊

                        I use the below to think how the economy is doing

                        GDP grow
                        Unemployment %
                        People confidence
                        Stock market grow
                        10 year treasury rate
                        Private sector payroll
                        Inflation

                        What do you use?

                        If you dont want to answer, that is fine. I can accept that, but it is hard, in my opinion, to have a discussion about the "performance" of the economy without some sort of data.

                        Larry is saying you live in a world of data. Data can be manipulated. Figures lie and liars figure, so to speak.

                        Folks that actually live out there in the real world, who are currently eating chicken instead of beef roast, trying to keep old jalopies running because the price of new and used cars has gone through the roof, shaking their head at $90,000 pickups, let alone contemplating whether to fill their car up with gas or eat, and wondering how in the hell they'll ever afford a home, can certainly fill you in on the finer points of inflation and who caused it.

                        And you know, all your neat figures don't mean a damn to those people.

                        taiwan_girlT Offline
                        taiwan_girlT Offline
                        taiwan_girl
                        wrote on last edited by taiwan_girl
                        #125

                        @Jolly

                        Jolly, in your post, you use "data", which seems to be inflation.

                        I think it was you, (or maybe Jon or George) who used the term "tribe" to describe politics in the US right now. I think it is an accurate term and a good one.

                        There is a tendency now to use politics when looking at everything.

                        By looking at some of the data, I am trying to remove politics from it.

                        I realize that it cannot be 100% done, but it is a start.

                        (again, I am not specifically talking about the current times. I agree that President Biden is not doing a very good job. I am thinking about historic data and the tendency to say that because the President is from your "tribe", the economy does great!! When he is from the other "tribe", the economy is terrible. I dont think that is true and I think that "data" will prove me right. 555)

                        JollyJ LarryL 2 Replies Last reply
                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          @Jolly

                          Jolly, in your post, you use "data", which seems to be inflation.

                          I think it was you, (or maybe Jon or George) who used the term "tribe" to describe politics in the US right now. I think it is an accurate term and a good one.

                          There is a tendency now to use politics when looking at everything.

                          By looking at some of the data, I am trying to remove politics from it.

                          I realize that it cannot be 100% done, but it is a start.

                          (again, I am not specifically talking about the current times. I agree that President Biden is not doing a very good job. I am thinking about historic data and the tendency to say that because the President is from your "tribe", the economy does great!! When he is from the other "tribe", the economy is terrible. I dont think that is true and I think that "data" will prove me right. 555)

                          JollyJ Offline
                          JollyJ Offline
                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #126

                          @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

                          @Jolly

                          Jolly, in your post, you use "data", which seems to be inflation.

                          I think it was you, (or maybe Jon or George) who used the term "tribe" to describe politics in the US right now. I think it is an accurate term and a good one.

                          There is a tendency now to use politics when looking at everything.

                          By looking at some of the data, I am trying to remove politics from it.

                          I realize that it cannot be 100% done, but it is a start.

                          (again, I am not specifically talking about the current times. I agree that President Biden is not doing a very good job. I am thinking about historic data and the tendency to say that because the President is from your "tribe", the economy does great!! When he is from the other "tribe", the economy is terrible. I dont think that is true and I think that "data" will prove me right. 555)

                          You can paint it any way you wish. The average person would ignore you.

                          Because what are you going to believe...This list of data or graphs? Or the money you are taking out of your wallet?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            @Jolly

                            Jolly, in your post, you use "data", which seems to be inflation.

                            I think it was you, (or maybe Jon or George) who used the term "tribe" to describe politics in the US right now. I think it is an accurate term and a good one.

                            There is a tendency now to use politics when looking at everything.

                            By looking at some of the data, I am trying to remove politics from it.

                            I realize that it cannot be 100% done, but it is a start.

                            (again, I am not specifically talking about the current times. I agree that President Biden is not doing a very good job. I am thinking about historic data and the tendency to say that because the President is from your "tribe", the economy does great!! When he is from the other "tribe", the economy is terrible. I dont think that is true and I think that "data" will prove me right. 555)

                            LarryL Offline
                            LarryL Offline
                            Larry
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #127

                            @taiwan_girl said in Inflation:

                            @Jolly

                            Jolly, in your post, you use "data", which seems to be inflation.

                            I think it was you, (or maybe Jon or George) who used the term "tribe" to describe politics in the US right now. I think it is an accurate term and a good one.

                            There is a tendency now to use politics when looking at everything.

                            By looking at some of the data, I am trying to remove politics from it.

                            I realize that it cannot be 100% done, but it is a start.

                            (again, I am not specifically talking about the current times. I agree that President Biden is not doing a very good job. I am thinking about historic data and the tendency to say that because the President is from your "tribe", the economy does great!! When he is from the other "tribe", the economy is terrible. I dont think that is true and I think that "data" will prove me right. 555)

                            In other words, you have preconcieved beliefs that are political in nature that you want to prove by searching through "data" until you find something to hang your hat on, and then you can push your delusion that you did it without any influence from political views.

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            • KlausK Offline
                              KlausK Offline
                              Klaus
                              wrote on last edited by Klaus
                              #128

                              de486ef5-e24c-4ab5-a84a-9e8aa8f94e45-image.png

                              The idea of "lived experience" is very much associated with woke ideology, because it is so subjective and easy to manipulate.

                              Data can be presented in a manipulative way, but the data itself can only be one of two things: Correct or incorrect.

                              LarryL 1 Reply Last reply
                              • KlausK Klaus

                                de486ef5-e24c-4ab5-a84a-9e8aa8f94e45-image.png

                                The idea of "lived experience" is very much associated with woke ideology, because it is so subjective and easy to manipulate.

                                Data can be presented in a manipulative way, but the data itself can only be one of two things: Correct or incorrect.

                                LarryL Offline
                                LarryL Offline
                                Larry
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #129

                                @Klaus said in Inflation:

                                de486ef5-e24c-4ab5-a84a-9e8aa8f94e45-image.png

                                The idea of "lived experience" is very much associated with woke ideology.

                                So.... 2 plus 2 equals 13 to your way of thinking.

                                KlausK 1 Reply Last reply
                                • LarryL Larry

                                  @Klaus said in Inflation:

                                  de486ef5-e24c-4ab5-a84a-9e8aa8f94e45-image.png

                                  The idea of "lived experience" is very much associated with woke ideology.

                                  So.... 2 plus 2 equals 13 to your way of thinking.

                                  KlausK Offline
                                  KlausK Offline
                                  Klaus
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #130

                                  @Larry said in Inflation:

                                  So.... 2 plus 2 equals 13 to your way of thinking.

                                  No. That may be your "lived experience" of arithmetic. I prefer to go by the data, which suggests that the answer is 4.

                                  LarryL 1 Reply Last reply
                                  • KlausK Klaus

                                    @Larry said in Inflation:

                                    So.... 2 plus 2 equals 13 to your way of thinking.

                                    No. That may be your "lived experience" of arithmetic. I prefer to go by the data, which suggests that the answer is 4.

                                    LarryL Offline
                                    LarryL Offline
                                    Larry
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #131

                                    @Klaus said in Inflation:

                                    @Larry said in Inflation:

                                    So.... 2 plus 2 equals 13 to your way of thinking.

                                    No. That may be your "lived experience" of arithmetic. I prefer to go by the data, which suggests that the answer is 4.

                                    Of course the answer is 4. But you just took two points that have nothing to do with each other, attempted to tie them together and give them equal value, and from their reach a conclusion that had nothing to do with anything. Here's the sad part - I believe that absent the input from morons like you, TG is intelligent enough to u derstand what is being said to her. I don't see you as being capable of such rational thinking.

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    • KlausK Offline
                                      KlausK Offline
                                      Klaus
                                      wrote on last edited by Klaus
                                      #132

                                      I had only one point: That your argument boils down to the "lived experience" idea - subjective experience trumps data - and that idea is BS. I also find it funny that "lived experience" is very much associated with progressive left-wing policy.

                                      LarryL LuFins DadL 2 Replies Last reply
                                      • KlausK Klaus

                                        I had only one point: That your argument boils down to the "lived experience" idea - subjective experience trumps data - and that idea is BS. I also find it funny that "lived experience" is very much associated with progressive left-wing policy.

                                        LarryL Offline
                                        LarryL Offline
                                        Larry
                                        wrote on last edited by Larry
                                        #133

                                        @Klaus said in Inflation:

                                        I had only one point: That your argument boils down to the "lived experience" idea - subjective experience trumps data - and that idea is BS. I also find it funny that "lived experience" is very much associated with progressive left-wing policy.

                                        Lived experience is NOT associated with progressive left wing policy. That's why I said you tried to add 2 plus 2 and say it equals 13. TG takes a flawed approach and tries to reach a rational conclusion, you just make shit up.

                                        Now fuck off. You have no credibility to me.

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        • HoraceH Offline
                                          HoraceH Offline
                                          Horace
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #134

                                          Lived experience can be used to communicate a narrative, numbers can be used to communicate a narrative, both can be lied with, both can tell the truth. What Larry is not doing with his "lived experience" analog is claiming a unique ability to live a particular experience. In fact he's implying that it is the general case lived experience. The woke cudgel their political opponents with the claim that, unless you have a certain human phenotype, you cannot live certain experiences, and you need to shut up. This is why their usage is so wrong, because it denies the shared human experience. It's racism writ large, by morons.

                                          Education is extremely important.

                                          KlausK 1 Reply Last reply
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Tags
                                          • Popular
                                          • Users
                                          • Groups