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Daylight Saving to be made permanent

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #23

    It's been tried before:

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/

    Congress had voted on December 14, 1973, to put the US on daylight saving time for two years. President Nixon signed the bill the next day. The US had gone to permanent daylight saving time before, during World War II. Then, too, the measure was enacted to save fuel. Permanent DST wasn’t close to the wackiest idea about time floating around—Paul Mullinax, a geographer who worked at the Pentagon, came up with the idea of putting the continental US on a single time zone. “USA Time” would apply from Bangor to Barstow, eliminate jet lag, and standardize TV schedules. His idea even got traction in Congress, via a bill from US Representative Patsy Mink of Hawaii. “The human being is a very adaptive animal,” he said. “There is no reason we have to be a slave to the sun.”

    And yet the early-morning darkness quickly proved dangerous for children: A 6-year-old Alexandria girl was struck by a car on her way to Polk Elementary School on January 7; the accident broke her leg. Two Prince George’s County students were hurt in February. In the weeks after the change, eight Florida kids were killed in traffic accidents. Florida’s governor, Reubin Askew, asked for Congress to repeal the measure. “It’s time to recognize that we may well have made a mistake,” US Senator Dick Clark of Iowa said during a speech in Congress on January 28, 1974. In the Washington area, some schools delayed their start times until the sun caught up with the clock.

    The factual picture was a bit more complicated. The National Safety Council reported in February that pre-sunrise fatalities had risen to 20 from 18 the year before. In July, Roger Sant, then an assistant administrator-designate for the Federal Energy Administration, wrote a letter to the Post that noted a 1 percent energy saving achieved by going to DST equated to 20,000-30,000 tons of coal not being burned each day. Further, he wrote, accidents had fallen in the afternoons.

    By August, though, as the Watergate scandal caused the Nixon administration to crumble, the country was ready to move on from its clock experiments. While 79 percent of Americans approved of the change in December 1973, approval had dropped to 42 percent three months later, the New York Times reported. Seven days after President Nixon resigned, US Senator Bob Dole of Kansas introduced an amendment in August that would end the DST experiment. It passed. A similar bill passed the House. In late September, the full Congress passed a bill that would restore standard time on October 27. President Ford signed it on October 5. Energy savings, a House panel noted, “must be balanced against a majority of the public’s distaste for the observance of Daylight Saving Time.”

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on last edited by
      #24

      Well Jimmy Kimmel and his entire audience cheered this, which pretty much confirms my opinion

      I was only joking

      George KG 1 Reply Last reply
      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        Well Jimmy Kimmel and his entire audience cheered this, which pretty much confirms my opinion

        George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #25

        @Doctor-Phibes said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

        Well Jimmy Kimmel and his entire audience cheered this, which pretty much confirms my opinion

        Which opinion might that be?

        • Kimmel is a flack
        • The audience is stupid.
        • What the FUCK happened to late-night comedy?

        There are more, of course.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

        Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
        • George KG George K

          @Doctor-Phibes said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

          Well Jimmy Kimmel and his entire audience cheered this, which pretty much confirms my opinion

          Which opinion might that be?

          • Kimmel is a flack
          • The audience is stupid.
          • What the FUCK happened to late-night comedy?

          There are more, of course.

          Doctor PhibesD Offline
          Doctor PhibesD Offline
          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
          #26

          @George-K said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

          • What the FUCK happened to late-night comedy?

          Watching old Dave Letterman clips on Youtube followed by Jimmy Kimmel or one of those English blokes you chaps seem to love so much is really an eye opener.

          I was only joking

          JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
          • CopperC Offline
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            Copper
            wrote on last edited by
            #27

            Yes, this is woke

            Just shut up

            It is another of those things you just know, but you aren't sure exactly why

            Shut up

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #28

              Comedians have coined the term "clapter" for the phenomenon of an entertainer saying something virtuously giggly about politics, and the audience laughing/clapping not because it was funny but because it made a virtuous point. Those shows are all clapter these days, and the audiences are clapter audiences who aren't even acclimated to real humor anymore.

              I haven't read this piece, but it's the first google result for "clapter":
              https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/the-rise-of-clapter-comedy.html

              Education is extremely important.

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #29

                Maybe not such a good idea. But I also don't buy the idea that switching times twice a year is bad for our health.

                https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/daylight-savings-times-senate-sleep-science-1322200/?fbclid=IwAR3YL5SiVld09rLAo96_BS04caR-2IAhn4VKY_G89VosXb1AdT1rn1xyiC4

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  Comedians have coined the term "clapter" for the phenomenon of an entertainer saying something virtuously giggly about politics, and the audience laughing/clapping not because it was funny but because it made a virtuous point. Those shows are all clapter these days, and the audiences are clapter audiences who aren't even acclimated to real humor anymore.

                  I haven't read this piece, but it's the first google result for "clapter":
                  https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/the-rise-of-clapter-comedy.html

                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #30

                  @Horace said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                  Comedians have coined the term "clapter" for the phenomenon of an entertainer saying something virtuously giggly about politics, and the audience laughing/clapping not because it was funny but because it made a virtuous point. Those shows are all clapter these days, and the audiences are clapter audiences who aren't even acclimated to real humor anymore.

                  I haven't read this piece, but it's the first google result for "clapter":
                  https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/the-rise-of-clapter-comedy.html

                  For decades, people have cheered and whooped when some celebrity said anything at all.

                  "Hello, everybody...." - screams of adulation.
                  "Anybody watch the Superbowl?" - roars of fucking inane cheering as though we've just won WW2
                  "What about the price of tomatoes, eh?" - hysterical laughter. Oh God, somebody kill them.

                  I was only joking

                  HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @Horace said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                    Comedians have coined the term "clapter" for the phenomenon of an entertainer saying something virtuously giggly about politics, and the audience laughing/clapping not because it was funny but because it made a virtuous point. Those shows are all clapter these days, and the audiences are clapter audiences who aren't even acclimated to real humor anymore.

                    I haven't read this piece, but it's the first google result for "clapter":
                    https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/the-rise-of-clapter-comedy.html

                    For decades, people have cheered and whooped when some celebrity said anything at all.

                    "Hello, everybody...." - screams of adulation.
                    "Anybody watch the Superbowl?" - roars of fucking inane cheering as though we've just won WW2
                    "What about the price of tomatoes, eh?" - hysterical laughter. Oh God, somebody kill them.

                    HoraceH Offline
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                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #31

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                    @Horace said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                    Comedians have coined the term "clapter" for the phenomenon of an entertainer saying something virtuously giggly about politics, and the audience laughing/clapping not because it was funny but because it made a virtuous point. Those shows are all clapter these days, and the audiences are clapter audiences who aren't even acclimated to real humor anymore.

                    I haven't read this piece, but it's the first google result for "clapter":
                    https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/the-rise-of-clapter-comedy.html

                    For decades, people have cheered and whooped when some celebrity said anything at all.

                    "Hello, everybody...." - screams of adulation.
                    "Anybody watch the Superbowl?" - roars of fucking inane cheering as though we've just won WW2
                    "What about the price of tomatoes, eh?" - hysterical laughter. Oh God, somebody kill them.

                    Celebrity worship isn’t really the same thing. An unknown hacky comic can get clapter by going on stage and saying something like “women are so much smarter than men” to set up a joke.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Maybe not such a good idea. But I also don't buy the idea that switching times twice a year is bad for our health.

                      https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/daylight-savings-times-senate-sleep-science-1322200/?fbclid=IwAR3YL5SiVld09rLAo96_BS04caR-2IAhn4VKY_G89VosXb1AdT1rn1xyiC4

                      LuFins DadL Offline
                      LuFins DadL Offline
                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #32

                      @Mik said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                      Maybe not such a good idea. But I also don't buy the idea that switching times twice a year is bad for our health.

                      https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/daylight-savings-times-senate-sleep-science-1322200/?fbclid=IwAR3YL5SiVld09rLAo96_BS04caR-2IAhn4VKY_G89VosXb1AdT1rn1xyiC4

                      If the change in cycle causes you to have a heart attack, I think you were going to have a h art attack anyway.

                      The Brad

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        @George-K said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                        • What the FUCK happened to late-night comedy?

                        Watching old Dave Letterman clips on Youtube followed by Jimmy Kimmel or one of those English blokes you chaps seem to love so much is really an eye opener.

                        JollyJ Offline
                        JollyJ Offline
                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #33

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                        @George-K said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                        • What the FUCK happened to late-night comedy?

                        Watching old Dave Letterman clips on Youtube followed by Jimmy Kimmel or one of those English blokes you chaps seem to love so much is really an eye opener.

                        Even Leno was funny.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          jon-nyc
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                          #34

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • 89th8 Offline
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                            89th
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                            #35

                            Hey, what do you mean, you people?

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                              89th
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #36

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                              This is for where I live. Imagine the left and right sides shifting up an hour. Yeah it would be dark until nearly 9am in Dec/Jan, but on the flip side it would be light until almost 6pm (instead of 5pm). Anyway...I have zero control over what will be decided, I'll find the benefits to either scenario, no point in grumbling.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #37

                                Fast forward to when your kids are school aged.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • HoraceH Offline
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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #38

                                  If DST didn't exist, it would not be reinvented, and the shocked faces at anybody proposing it would be shockier than the shocked faces at those against the idea now.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Fast forward to when your kids are school aged.

                                    HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #39

                                    @jon-nyc said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                                    Fast forward to when your kids are school aged.

                                    Kids go to school too early. Known fact. Kids need more sleep.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      @jon-nyc said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                                      Fast forward to when your kids are school aged.

                                      Kids go to school too early. Known fact. Kids need more sleep.

                                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
                                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
                                      Doctor Phibes
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #40

                                      @Horace said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                                      Fast forward to when your kids are school aged.

                                      Kids go to school too early. Known fact. Kids need more sleep.

                                      As far as I can tell, the main reason the high school starts so ridiculously early is so that they can use the buses three times, once for each school. Having 16 year-olds go in at 7am is bloody stupid.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        @jon-nyc said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                                        Fast forward to when your kids are school aged.

                                        Kids go to school too early. Known fact. Kids need more sleep.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #41

                                        @Horace said in Daylight Saving to be made permanent:

                                        Kids go to school too early. Known fact. Kids need more sleep.

                                        Read Walker's "Why We Sleep." Outstanding book.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #42

                                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2022/03/17/daylight-saving-time-sunrise-sunset/

                                          Screen Shot 2022-03-20 at 6.27.27 AM.png

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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