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$100/1000 miles

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    I think EV's make sense as city cars, at the right price. Commute and top off the batteries at night. Just don't expect them to last for long periods without serious battery costs.

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    George K
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    @Jolly said in $100/1000 miles:

    I think EV's make sense as city cars, at the right price. Commute and top off the batteries at night.

    If you have the ability to do that. Apartment dwellers who park in outside lots or on the street don't have that option.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Nuther question...EV's use roads. What about taxes to keep the roads up?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        @Axtremus said in $100/1000 miles:

        $100 for 1000 miles is quite good when gas is over $4 a gallon.

        Assuming a fairly typical gasoline powered compact sedan that can average, say, 35 miles per gallon, you will need over 28 gallons of gasoline to go 1000 miles, and at $4 per gallon, you’re looking at somewhere close to $115 worth of gasoline.

        Look at long term upkeep, however.

        The greenest vehicle is not the cheapest to operate in the short term, but the one that can last the longest and operate the cheapest over the long haul...Let's go back to that Corolla...If we can get over 200,000 miles in a 20 year period with no major repairs, is it not the cheapest to own and the greenest option?

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        Axtremus
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        @Jolly said in $100/1000 miles:

        @Axtremus said in $100/1000 miles:

        $100 for 1000 miles is quite good when gas is over $4 a gallon.

        Assuming a fairly typical gasoline powered compact sedan that can average, say, 35 miles per gallon, you will need over 28 gallons of gasoline to go 1000 miles, and at $4 per gallon, you’re looking at somewhere close to $115 worth of gasoline.

        Look at long term upkeep, however.

        The greenest vehicle is not the cheapest to operate in the short term, but the one that can last the longest and operate the cheapest over the long haul...Let's go back to that Corolla...If we can get over 200,000 miles in a 20 year period with no major repairs, is it not the cheapest to own and the greenest option?

        Indeed, I have seen studies that show that the most eco-friendly option when it comes to buying a car is to buy a used car. The total carbon footprint, once you factor in the manufacturing of the car itself, favors used cars.

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          Nuther question...EV's use roads. What about taxes to keep the roads up?

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          @Jolly said in $100/1000 miles:

          Nuther question...EV's use roads. What about taxes to keep the roads up?

          Tax the rich

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            Nuther question...EV's use roads. What about taxes to keep the roads up?

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            @Jolly said in $100/1000 miles:

            Nuther question...EV's use roads. What about taxes to keep the roads up?

            We discussed that before, you started the thread:
            https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/8222/by-the-mile?page=1

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              A year ago?

              Son, I've slept since then...

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Reading an interesting paper about a charging company whose focus is getting charging stations into conventional gas stations.

                There are about 115,000 gas stations in the US and they estimate they really only need to get into ~ 25-33% of the stations, and many gas stations are "clustered" near each other.

                Replacing a set of gas pumps with charging stations or building them off to teh side in the 25-33% will "solve" the issue of not being able to find a charge on a long distance trip.

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  Reading an interesting paper about a charging company whose focus is getting charging stations into conventional gas stations.

                  There are about 115,000 gas stations in the US and they estimate they really only need to get into ~ 25-33% of the stations, and many gas stations are "clustered" near each other.

                  Replacing a set of gas pumps with charging stations or building them off to teh side in the 25-33% will "solve" the issue of not being able to find a charge on a long distance trip.

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                  @taiwan_girl said in $100/1000 miles:

                  Replacing a set of gas pumps with charging stations or building them off to teh side in the 25-33% will "solve" the issue of not being able to find a charge on a long distance trip.

                  Assuming the consumer wants to spend 20-30 minutes to “fill ‘er up.”

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @taiwan_girl said in $100/1000 miles:

                    Replacing a set of gas pumps with charging stations or building them off to teh side in the 25-33% will "solve" the issue of not being able to find a charge on a long distance trip.

                    Assuming the consumer wants to spend 20-30 minutes to “fill ‘er up.”

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                    @George-K said in $100/1000 miles:

                    @taiwan_girl said in $100/1000 miles:

                    Replacing a set of gas pumps with charging stations or building them off to teh side in the 25-33% will "solve" the issue of not being able to find a charge on a long distance trip.

                    Assuming the consumer wants to spend 20-30 minutes to “fill ‘er up.”

                    Right now, I agree. But I also think that battery technology/charging technology will increase immensly.

                    My prediction is that in between 5-10 years time, a person will be able to recharge a car battery from 0-80% in 10 minutes or less, and that charge will give you a mile distance equivalent to a tank of gas (600 km or so)

                    (We will have to "revisit" this forum thread in 5 years to see how close I am. 555)

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                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      @George-K said in $100/1000 miles:

                      @taiwan_girl said in $100/1000 miles:

                      Replacing a set of gas pumps with charging stations or building them off to teh side in the 25-33% will "solve" the issue of not being able to find a charge on a long distance trip.

                      Assuming the consumer wants to spend 20-30 minutes to “fill ‘er up.”

                      Right now, I agree. But I also think that battery technology/charging technology will increase immensly.

                      My prediction is that in between 5-10 years time, a person will be able to recharge a car battery from 0-80% in 10 minutes or less, and that charge will give you a mile distance equivalent to a tank of gas (600 km or so)

                      (We will have to "revisit" this forum thread in 5 years to see how close I am. 555)

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                      @taiwan_girl said in $100/1000 miles:

                      My prediction is that in between 5-10 years time, a person will be able to recharge a car battery from 0-80% in 10 minutes or less, and that charge will give you a mile distance equivalent to a tank of gas (600 km or so)

                      Hey @LuFins-Dad , imagine the lines at Costco gas charging stations and your time waiting to refuel recharge when each car needs 10 minutes to refuel recharge. 😄

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        #25

                        This one is going to be interesting...You can tow as much as 10,000 pounds or haul a half-ton, but wonder what that does to your battery, especially running the A/C, which is most of the time in the Gulf South.

                        https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Hydrogen. The current path we are taking towards EV is ultimately a loser, IMO.

                          The Brad

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                            Nah, hydrogen is just another battery of sorts, more expensive to move than current.

                            You were warned.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              Nah, hydrogen is just another battery of sorts, more expensive to move than current.

                              JollyJ Offline
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                              @jon-nyc said in $100/1000 miles:

                              Nah, hydrogen is just another battery of sorts, more expensive to move than current.

                              Depends on how far you have to move the current. The farther it goes and the smaller the wire, the more it drops.

                              Hydrogen could be as portable as gasoline, with much the same retail infrastructure.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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