Speaking of cyber war

[LuFins Dad]

Yeah… makes sense.

[kluurs]

There seems little question that Putin considers the sanctions as an attack on the Russian economy - and may wish to return the favor. Some goals...

• Disruption of credit markets, banking system, financial records.

• Cripple internet and key cloud services such as AWS - permanently, in the case of cloud storage facilities.

• Electrical grid disruption for months.

• Cities hit with mass criminal activity - looting as some individuals see the disruption/confusion as an opportunity for gain.

I'm kinda wishing we did the solar/natural gas back-ups ourselves. At least we have plenty of reading material and lots of CDs if music streaming services are adversely affected.

[Copper]

@kluurs said in Speaking of cyber war:

• Disruption of credit markets, banking system, financial records.

• Cripple internet and key cloud services such as AWS - permanently, in the case of cloud storage facilities.

• Electrical grid disruption for months.

• Cities hit with mass criminal activity - looting as some individuals see the disruption/confusion as an opportunity for gain.

He sounds like a democrat.

[kluurs]

I wonder to what extent our friends in government have prepared for a "cyber Pearl Harbor" as Leon Panetta has referred to it - no credit card processing, limited access to financial records.

People in rural/semi rural areas likely are in a better position to deal with the disruptions. Cities - not nearly as well as they rely on supply chains not being disrupted.

[LuFins Dad]

I guess we’re about to find out how good all of those cyber security degrees from Phoenix University are…

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Speaking of cyber war:

Not a bad idea to get a short stack of 20s out of the bank. It’s not inconceivable that Russia targets payment networks or banks.

Might fill your tank while you’re out.

Everyday preparedness...He who panics first, panics best.

[Copper]

I guess I better get my taxes paid before the net goes down.

[LuFins Dad]

Fill up the tank or have a short stack of $20’s? Which is it Jon?

[Copper]

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U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon)
Year	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec
  1993				1.078	1.100	1.097	1.078	1.062	1.050	1.092	1.066	1.014
  1994	0.998	1.009	1.008	1.027	1.047	1.078	1.106	1.155	1.144	1.114	1.119	1.129
  1995	1.130	1.120	1.119	1.157	1.225	1.239	1.201	1.170	1.158	1.134	1.109	1.118
  1996	1.137	1.136	1.183	1.275	1.324	1.300	1.272	1.251	1.247	1.249	1.278	1.282
  1997	1.283	1.276	1.251	1.244	1.245	1.242	1.220	1.268	1.276	1.242	1.216	1.177
  1998	1.132	1.096	1.064	1.077	1.105	1.103	1.094	1.065	1.049	1.059	1.036	0.987
  1999	0.980	0.962	1.022	1.171	1.171	1.154	1.197	1.260	1.295	1.285	1.292	1.313
  2000	1.329	1.415	1.556	1.506	1.526	1.666	1.591	1.506	1.588	1.571	1.557	1.483
  2001	1.487	1.490	1.450	1.591	1.738	1.658	1.466	1.461	1.557	1.357	1.212	1.127
  2002	1.148	1.155	1.289	1.439	1.434	1.424	1.438	1.438	1.441	1.486	1.461	1.429
  2003	1.500	1.655	1.734	1.633	1.539	1.533	1.554	1.661	1.721	1.606	1.555	1.522
  2004	1.614	1.690	1.778	1.839	2.023	2.013	1.954	1.920	1.912	2.042	2.023	1.887
  2005	1.875	1.953	2.120	2.285	2.205	2.198	2.333	2.529	2.951	2.765	2.303	2.229
  2006	2.360	2.326	2.468	2.787	2.953	2.930	3.025	2.999	2.606	2.293	2.275	2.359
  2007	2.289	2.323	2.609	2.891	3.187	3.102	3.011	2.834	2.849	2.853	3.128	3.070
  2008	3.095	3.078	3.293	3.507	3.815	4.105	4.114	3.833	3.756	3.112	2.208	1.745
  2009	1.840	1.975	2.011	2.102	2.316	2.681	2.582	2.670	2.609	2.605	2.706	2.663
  2010	2.769	2.699	2.824	2.900	2.890	2.785	2.782	2.783	2.757	2.853	2.913	3.048
  2011	3.148	3.264	3.615	3.852	3.960	3.735	3.705	3.696	3.667	3.506	3.443	3.326
  2012	3.440	3.640	3.907	3.958	3.791	3.596	3.498	3.780	3.910	3.812	3.521	3.381
  2013	3.391	3.736	3.779	3.638	3.675	3.689	3.661	3.645	3.604	3.420	3.322	3.357
  2014	3.392	3.434	3.606	3.735	3.750	3.766	3.688	3.565	3.484	3.255	2.997	2.632
  2015	2.208	2.301	2.546	2.555	2.802	2.885	2.880	2.726	2.462	2.387	2.260	2.144
  2016	2.057	1.872	2.071	2.216	2.371	2.467	2.345	2.284	2.327	2.359	2.295	2.366
  2017	2.458	2.416	2.437	2.528	2.503	2.460	2.414	2.494	2.761	2.621	2.678	2.594
  2018	2.671	2.705	2.709	2.873	2.987	2.970	2.928	2.914	2.915	2.943	2.736	2.457
  2019	2.338	2.393	2.594	2.881	2.946	2.804	2.823	2.707	2.681	2.724	2.693	2.645
  2020	2.636	2.533	2.329	1.938	1.961	2.170	2.272	2.272	2.274	2.248	2.200	2.284
  2021	2.420	2.587	2.898	2.948	3.076	3.157	3.231	3.255	3.272	3.384	3.491	3.406
  2022	3.413	3.611

[Aqua Letifer]

Going out to fill our tank (yes, Jolly, we still gots a car) and to pull money out of the bank.

My very first war-time act since I sent my uncle Kool-Aid packets while he was in Iraq. And honestly this one feels more involved.

I'd like to say I'm being silly about that but I really, really doubt it.

[LuFins Dad]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Speaking of cyber war:

Going out to fill our tank (yes, Jolly, we still gots a car) and to pull money out of the bank.

My very first war-time act since I sent my uncle Kool-Aid packets while he was in Iraq. And honestly this one feels more involved.

I'd like to say I'm being silly about that but I really, really doubt it.

Hell, I’m starting to think about preloading the cars with bug out bags…

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Speaking of cyber war:

I’m starting to think about preloading the cars with bug out bags…

So, what would you put into a bug out bag?

[Aqua Letifer]

@George-K said in Speaking of cyber war:

@LuFins-Dad said in Speaking of cyber war:

I’m starting to think about preloading the cars with bug out bags…

So, what would you put into a bug out bag?

Entirely depends on how fucked you think you're gonna be, and for how long.

For me, I take the middle road:

4-5 days' nonperishable food
Vitamins
First aid and meds
Water filtration systems (I like charcoal + boiling, but I'll keep some tablets handy)
Knife and hatchet
Lots of waterproof shit: trash bags, shopping bags, ziploc bags
Clothes
Dual fuel stove, ceramic mugs, cutlery
Water bladder
Gun
Fire: bic, sparker, dry shit to get it started
Hat
Parachute cord
Hammocks with rain fly

My plan is to either walk out, or get help. I don't go in for single-handedly rebuilding civilization.

[jon-nyc]

Don’t you need to add diapers?

[Aqua Letifer]

@jon-nyc said in Speaking of cyber war:

Don’t you need to add diapers?

That's in the kiddo's bag, all of which are nice-to-haves.

Brown asses > dehydration.

[LuFins Dad]

@George-K said in Speaking of cyber war:

@LuFins-Dad said in Speaking of cyber war:

I’m starting to think about preloading the cars with bug out bags…

So, what would you put into a bug out bag?

I’ve got a couple of old fashioned hiker frame backpacks, 4 4-season sleeping bags, 2 Hennessey Camping Hammocks, and 2 3-Season tents. I would probably load 2 bags in each car, put the camping hammocks in my car and the tent in Karla’s. One medical bag in each, a box of one strike fire starters and a butane lighter in each, one set of camping cookware in each (I’ll put the good set in Karla’s and take the aluminum myself) a couple rolls of fishing line, hooks, and artificial bait. The one thing I definitely need to add is at least one water filter, probably two… A jar of bouillon cubes in each bag and I should probably buy a couple of big boxes of ramen. I already have a multi tool and a mini tool kit in each car as well as flashlights.

[Jolly]

Bug out bag?

Unless you've got a definitive place to go, where you'll have food, water, help and a defensible position, you're a lot safer usually sheltering in place.

The biggest problem for many of us older folks will be medications.

[kluurs]

Here's prep advice for the unprepared.

[Copper]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Speaking of cyber war:

For me, I take the middle road:

4-5 days' nonperishable food
Vitamins
First aid and meds
Water filtration systems (I like charcoal + boiling, but I'll keep some tablets handy)
Knife and hatchet
Lots of waterproof shit: trash bags, shopping bags, ziploc bags
Clothes
Dual fuel stove, ceramic mugs, cutlery
Water bladder
Gun
Fire: bic, sparker, dry shit to get it started
Hat
Parachute cord
Hammocks with rain fly

As long as you have the gun, you can get the rest of it.

[Jolly]

@kluurs said in Speaking of cyber war:

Here's prep advice for the unprepared.

If you're at this point, you're screwed.