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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Sorry. You can assume everyone in NYC over 75 is positive, whether they live in a nursing home or placed in the marathon last November, and the CDC’s IFR still doesn’t make sense.

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    @jon-nyc said in The Nursing Home Deaths:

    Sorry. You can assume everyone in NYC over 75 is positive, whether they live in a nursing home or placed in the marathon last November, and the CDC’s IFR still doesn’t make sense.

    The difference between their worst case of .4 and your low end range of .5 is minimal.

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      It’s 25% by the way.

      But the whole thread was about criticizing their ‘best estimate’.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        It’s 25% by the way.

        But the whole thread was about criticizing their ‘best estimate’.

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        @jon-nyc said in The Nursing Home Deaths:

        It’s 25% by the way.

        But the whole thread was about criticizing their ‘best estimate’.

        You could be right and the CDC could be wrong that’s for sure. But to get maximum points on the rubric you need to say why they are wrong. I mean qualified individuals who presumably know what you know made the calculation.

        And while you may be right on the narrow point, the big news is the death rate by age is finally coming out and it paints a very different narrative than what’s been pumped out to us.

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          They haven’t released the details else I’d already have a thread about it.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            How is the death rate by age any different from what we knew from Lombardy in March?

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              How is the death rate by age any different from what we knew from Lombardy in March?

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              @jon-nyc said in The Nursing Home Deaths:

              How is the death rate by age any different from what we knew from Lombardy in March?

              I guess Cuomo missed that.

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                So you’re not going to answer?

                I thought it was big news?

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Sorry. You can assume everyone in NYC over 75 is positive, whether they live in a nursing home or placed in the marathon last November, and the CDC’s IFR still doesn’t make sense.

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                  @jon-nyc said in The Nursing Home Deaths:

                  Sorry. You can assume everyone in NYC over 75 is positive, whether they live in a nursing home or placed in the marathon last November, and the CDC’s IFR still doesn’t make sense.

                  Are you talking about the global IFR across all ages?

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    So you’re not going to answer?

                    I thought it was big news?

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                    @jon-nyc said in The Nursing Home Deaths:

                    So you’re not going to answer?

                    I thought it was big news?

                    It was until it was forgotten and we had all the young people that died profiled as evidence that this disease was going after everyone. The fear in this country became quite elevated that everyone was at risk, no?

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                      I must have never forgotten. I don’t think you did either because you never passed up a chance to ask about age or co-morbidities.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        Well considering what the graph of IFR looks like when plotted against age, it is clear that it makes little sense to think or talk about an IFR that applies to everybody. Which renders most uses one sees of IFR borderline meaningless.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Well considering what the graph of IFR looks like when plotted against age, it is clear that it makes little sense to think or talk about an IFR that applies to everybody. Which renders most uses one sees of IFR borderline meaningless.

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                          @Horace said in The Nursing Home Deaths:

                          Well considering what the graph of IFR looks like when plotted against age, it is clear that it makes little sense to think or talk about an IFR that applies to everybody. Which renders most uses one sees of IFR borderline meaningless.

                          It would an interesting question to ask 80 years about what is the best way to protect them. Would they want 20%+ unemployment and no opportunity for youth?

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            Sorry. You can assume everyone in NYC over 75 is positive, whether they live in a nursing home or placed in the marathon last November, and the CDC’s IFR still doesn’t make sense.

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                            @jon-nyc said in The Nursing Home Deaths:

                            Sorry. You can assume everyone in NYC over 75 is positive, whether they live in a nursing home or placed in the marathon last November, and the CDC’s IFR still doesn’t make sense.

                            More evidence NYC is an anomaly.

                            https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-28/why-was-new-york-hit-so-badly-with-covid-19

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                              @jon-nyc said in The Nursing Home Deaths:

                              Sorry. You can assume everyone in NYC over 75 is positive, whether they live in a nursing home or placed in the marathon last November, and the CDC’s IFR still doesn’t make sense.

                              More evidence NYC is an anomaly.

                              https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-28/why-was-new-york-hit-so-badly-with-covid-19

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                              @Loki said in The Nursing Home Deaths:

                              More evidence NYC is an anomaly.

                              https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-28/why-was-new-york-hit-so-badly-with-covid-19

                              With New York’s outbreak eclipsing others around the world, it’s logical to look for somebody to blame.

                              Swell.

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                                @Horace said in The Nursing Home Deaths:

                                Well considering what the graph of IFR looks like when plotted against age, it is clear that it makes little sense to think or talk about an IFR that applies to everybody. Which renders most uses one sees of IFR borderline meaningless.

                                It would an interesting question to ask 80 years about what is the best way to protect them. Would they want 20%+ unemployment and no opportunity for youth?

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                                @Loki said in The Nursing Home Deaths:

                                @Horace said in The Nursing Home Deaths:

                                Well considering what the graph of IFR looks like when plotted against age, it is clear that it makes little sense to think or talk about an IFR that applies to everybody. Which renders most uses one sees of IFR borderline meaningless.

                                It would an interesting question to ask 80 years about what is the best way to protect them. Would they want 20%+ unemployment and no opportunity for youth?

                                Would they want wild parties being thrown on the lake with thousands of people shoulder to shoulder?

                                There is a middle ground, here.

                                The Brad

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                                  The best way to protect them might be to test out the experimental vaccines on the entitled knobheads partying as though there's no tomorrow.

                                  I was only joking

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