I don't trust the police.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/we-will-actively-look-to-identify-you-ottawa-police-chief-warns-departed-protesters/wcm/0dd58fd1-94ee-40e7-9b29-fb69d26fac40/amp/

From your perspective, why is it better for the public good for the police to track down the protesters and file fines and criminal charges?

Serious question, because here, they'd probably disperse the crowd, maybe arrest some who are the most adamant about making a scene and not pursue it from there. If they did that in Canada, why would it not be enough to just disperse the crowd?

[Jolly]

Revenge and retribution.

[Renauda]

@Aqua-Letifer said in I don't trust the police.:

From your perspective, why is it better for the public good for the police to track down the protesters and file fines and criminal charges?

Serious question, because here, they'd probably disperse the crowd, maybe arrest some who are the most adamant about making a scene and not pursue it from there. If they did that in Canada, why would it not be enough to just disperse the crowd?

Your serious question regarding Canadian law enforcement would be more objectively and accurately answered by one of your fellow countrymen who have greater expertise in Canadian affairs than my own. After all, I only live here.

Nevertheless, I’ll try to answer you from the perspective of law enforcement.

It is about accountability. Contrary to what you may be led to believe, the police will only track down those protesters who on video surveillance during the protest, or eye witness accounts indicate an individual or group of engaged in some sort of criminal behaviour. In this case usually acts of public mischief or vandalism to property.

Protesters not observed being engaged in criminal activities will be not be tracked down by police and charged with any criminal offence.

This a common police practice here during any acts of disobedience, large scale protests and high security events such as the G8 summit. It has often been used in the wake of our much publicised and often violent hockey riots that have occurred in Montreal and Vancouver.

I support it and I support our law enforcement officers. The way they managed and dispersed the occupiers in Ottawa was exemplary.

[George K]

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

exemplary

Kicking a man AFTER he's subdued?

Someone ask this guy if he can breathe:

Hitting people with the butts of their rifles?

Hitting a woman who is not protesting.

I agree that the unlawful blockade of streets, the unlawful occupation of parks is to be stopped.

But I find it more than a bit difficult to justify these actions.

[Renauda]

[George K]

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

I will however comment on the very last video, the one where the protester insisted on getting a coffee and refused to vacate the restricted area when ordered. He is a twat.

On first viewing, I was unsure if it was a restricted area, I'll take your word for it.

Hitting people and knocking people's phones out of their hands (while improperly masked, I might add) is justice for being a twat?

[Aqua Letifer]

@George-K said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

I will however comment on the very last video, the one where the protester insisted on getting a coffee and refused to vacate the restricted area when ordered. He is a twat.

On first viewing, I was unsure if it was a restricted area, I'll take your word for it.

Hitting people and knocking people's phones out of their hands (while improperly masked, I might add) is justice for being a twat?

Well in fairness, you never know what happened prior to the footage.

It's really not that different from here. Remember Lafayette Park? Oh no, no sir, we never used anything like smoke or tear gas to disperse the crowd! And then there was the kid on the hillside who got shot in the face. Cops + crowd = things don't go smoothly.

[Renauda]

@George-K said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

I will however comment on the very last video, the one where the protester insisted on getting a coffee and refused to vacate the restricted area when ordered. He is a twat.

On first viewing, I was unsure if it was a restricted area, I'll take your word for it.

Hitting people and knocking people's phones out of their hands (while improperly masked, I might add) is justice for being a twat?

Watch the video again. The cop tells the person to vacate the “red zone” or he would be arrested. The twat starts to argue and then it’s goodnight Vienna. If a cop tells me I am in a Red Zone and must leave I comply. I along with every Canadian knows what a Red Zone is and means. I assume Americans do as well. The twat knew he was in the red zone and started to argue.

So yes he deserved to have his device knocked out his hand and yes, he earned an attitude adjustment smack from the cop who gave ample warning to vacate the area immediately or face arrest.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

@George-K said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

I will however comment on the very last video, the one where the protester insisted on getting a coffee and refused to vacate the restricted area when ordered. He is a twat.

On first viewing, I was unsure if it was a restricted area, I'll take your word for it.

Hitting people and knocking people's phones out of their hands (while improperly masked, I might add) is justice for being a twat?

Watch the video again. The cop tells the person to vacate the “red zone” or he would be arrested. The twat starts to argue and then it’s goodnight Vienna. If a cop tells me I am in a Red Zone and must leave I comply. I along with every Canadian knows what a Red Zone is and means. I assume Americans do as well. The twat knew he was in the red zone and started to argue.

So yes he deserved to have his device knocked out his hand and yes, he earned an attitude adjustment smack from the cop who gave ample warning to vacate the area immediately or face arrest.

When (typically) black men are killed by American policemen, people frequently say 'If only they'd do what the cop told them, this sort of terrible thing wouldn't happen'.

I know, this is completely different. She wasn't committing a crime. Also, he didn't shoot her.

[Larry]

@Doctor-Phibes said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

@George-K said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

I will however comment on the very last video, the one where the protester insisted on getting a coffee and refused to vacate the restricted area when ordered. He is a twat.

On first viewing, I was unsure if it was a restricted area, I'll take your word for it.

Hitting people and knocking people's phones out of their hands (while improperly masked, I might add) is justice for being a twat?

Watch the video again. The cop tells the person to vacate the “red zone” or he would be arrested. The twat starts to argue and then it’s goodnight Vienna. If a cop tells me I am in a Red Zone and must leave I comply. I along with every Canadian knows what a Red Zone is and means. I assume Americans do as well. The twat knew he was in the red zone and started to argue.

So yes he deserved to have his device knocked out his hand and yes, he earned an attitude adjustment smack from the cop who gave ample warning to vacate the area immediately or face arrest.

When (typically) black men are killed by American policemen, people frequently say 'If only they'd do what the cop told them, this sort of terrible thing wouldn't happen'.

I know, this is completely different. She wasn't committing a crime. Also, he didn't shoot her.

I see you've bought into that old false narrative hook, line, and sinker...

[Renauda]

@Doctor-Phibes

I know, this is completely different. She wasn't committing a crime. Also, he didn't shoot her..

Glad you pointed out that the person was female. I missed that when I first saw the video.

I’m sorry then that I called her a twat. Even I don’t think that it is at all appropriate call a woman such. Rather, given her attitude and demonstrated sense of entitlement towards lawful authority, I ought to have called her a “princess” or, at the very worst, a “stupid cow”.

[Larry]

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

@Doctor-Phibes

I know, this is completely different. She wasn't committing a crime. Also, he didn't shoot her..

Glad you pointed out that the person was female. I missed that when I first saw the video.

Always check for tits.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

Glad you pointed out that the person was female. I missed that when I first saw the video.

TBH, I wasn't sure whether it was a woman with a deep voice or a bloke with a whiny voice.

[Renauda]

@Larry said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

@Doctor-Phibes

I know, this is completely different. She wasn't committing a crime. Also, he didn't shoot her..

Glad you pointed out that the person was female. I missed that when I first saw the video.

Always check for tits.

Roger that.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

@Larry said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

@Doctor-Phibes

I know, this is completely different. She wasn't committing a crime. Also, he didn't shoot her..

Glad you pointed out that the person was female. I missed that when I first saw the video.

Always check for tits.

Roger that.

That's why the British police wear those helmets....

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

@George-K said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

I will however comment on the very last video, the one where the protester insisted on getting a coffee and refused to vacate the restricted area when ordered. He is a twat.

On first viewing, I was unsure if it was a restricted area, I'll take your word for it.

Hitting people and knocking people's phones out of their hands (while improperly masked, I might add) is justice for being a twat?

Watch the video again. The cop tells the person to vacate the “red zone” or he would be arrested. The twat starts to argue and then it’s goodnight Vienna. If a cop tells me I am in a Red Zone and must leave I comply. I along with every Canadian knows what a Red Zone is and means. I assume Americans do as well. The twat knew he was in the red zone and started to argue.

So yes he deserved to have his device knocked out his hand and yes, he earned an attitude adjustment smack from the cop who gave ample warning to vacate the area immediately or face arrest.

When (typically) black men are killed by American policemen, people frequently say 'If only they'd do what the cop told them, this sort of terrible thing wouldn't happen'.

Is it also (typically) black men who intentionally goad police into a violent confrontation? Or is saying that racist, while saying what you said, virtuous?

[Doctor Phibes]

@Horace said in I don't trust the police.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

@George-K said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

I will however comment on the very last video, the one where the protester insisted on getting a coffee and refused to vacate the restricted area when ordered. He is a twat.

On first viewing, I was unsure if it was a restricted area, I'll take your word for it.

Hitting people and knocking people's phones out of their hands (while improperly masked, I might add) is justice for being a twat?

Watch the video again. The cop tells the person to vacate the “red zone” or he would be arrested. The twat starts to argue and then it’s goodnight Vienna. If a cop tells me I am in a Red Zone and must leave I comply. I along with every Canadian knows what a Red Zone is and means. I assume Americans do as well. The twat knew he was in the red zone and started to argue.

So yes he deserved to have his device knocked out his hand and yes, he earned an attitude adjustment smack from the cop who gave ample warning to vacate the area immediately or face arrest.

When (typically) black men are killed by American policemen, people frequently say 'If only they'd do what the cop told them, this sort of terrible thing wouldn't happen'.

Is it also (typically) black men who intentionally goad police into a violent confrontation? Or is saying that racist, while saying what you said, virtuous?

I'm not saying anything remotely virtuous. I'm just pointing out that getting all riled up about this woman being told to be on her way whilst condemning similar if somewhat more extreme behaviour in others is a little inconsistent.

Either it's a good idea to do what the cops tell us, or it isn't.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in I don't trust the police.:

@Horace said in I don't trust the police.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

@George-K said in I don't trust the police.:

@Renauda said in I don't trust the police.:

I will however comment on the very last video, the one where the protester insisted on getting a coffee and refused to vacate the restricted area when ordered. He is a twat.

On first viewing, I was unsure if it was a restricted area, I'll take your word for it.

Hitting people and knocking people's phones out of their hands (while improperly masked, I might add) is justice for being a twat?

Watch the video again. The cop tells the person to vacate the “red zone” or he would be arrested. The twat starts to argue and then it’s goodnight Vienna. If a cop tells me I am in a Red Zone and must leave I comply. I along with every Canadian knows what a Red Zone is and means. I assume Americans do as well. The twat knew he was in the red zone and started to argue.

So yes he deserved to have his device knocked out his hand and yes, he earned an attitude adjustment smack from the cop who gave ample warning to vacate the area immediately or face arrest.

When (typically) black men are killed by American policemen, people frequently say 'If only they'd do what the cop told them, this sort of terrible thing wouldn't happen'.

Is it also (typically) black men who intentionally goad police into a violent confrontation? Or is saying that racist, while saying what you said, virtuous?

I'm not saying anything remotely virtuous.

The recitation of the "cops kill black people" narrative is virtuous, you know that. You appear entirely uninterested in learning why that narrative and its connotations are fictitious and destructive to the communities it purports to empathize with.

I'm just pointing out that getting all riled up about this woman being told to be on her way whilst condemning similar if somewhat more extreme behaviour in others is a little inconsistent.

Either it's a good idea to do what the cops tell us, or it isn't.

I think George was unaware it was a 'red zone' which makes this a simple mistake rather than an ideological inconsistency.

[Copper]

@Horace said in I don't trust the police.:

The recitation of the "cops kill black people" narrative is virtuous

Few recitations are more virtuous.

And questioning it is the ultimate hate speech.

[George K]

@Horace said in I don't trust the police.:

George was unaware it was a 'red zone'

I was.

But, entry into a so-called 'red zone' justifies physical assault from the cop?

Now, about the other videos...are they fake?