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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 20:19 last edited by
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    You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

    The Brad

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    • 8 89th
      12 Jan 2022, 19:54

      I think the snowball of inflation was already heading downhill by the time Biden took over but he certainly hasn't done anything substantive to try and stop its velocity or growth. If Trump had won the election he'd also have a pile of inflation at his feet, but I bet he would've done more drastic measures to try and contain it.

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      Improviso
      wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 21:12 last edited by
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      @89th said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

      If Trump had won the election he'd also have a pile of inflation at his feet

      Really? I don't think so.

      As Mik said, he wouldn't have approved the stimulus. The supply chain bottleneck would never have occurred. 13 servicemen would still be alive. Gas would still be around 2 bucks.

      It would have been another year of "winning". Totally different than the last 10 months.

      We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
      Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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      • L LuFins Dad
        12 Jan 2022, 20:19

        You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 21:50 last edited by
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        @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

        You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

        Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Mik
          wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 22:10 last edited by
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          In the long run, that's' probably the only way we will ever pay the debt down.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Jolly
            wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 22:14 last edited by
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            Hell on horses and seniors, though.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              xenon
              wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 22:32 last edited by
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              The administration's response has been very juvenile. "It's the greedy companies fault!" As if now is the moment that they've chosen from the last couple of decades to get greedy.

              That said - between the constant supply of new money, supply constrains, and high savings in certain demographics and continued economic growth - it's not surprising that there's inflation right now. (But it's not obvious either - a lot of those factors were already in place for years)

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              • J Jolly
                12 Jan 2022, 21:50

                @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

                Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 23:12 last edited by
                #10

                @jolly said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

                Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

                That’s what I meant by devaluing the dollar devalues the debt.

                The Brad

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                • I Improviso
                  12 Jan 2022, 21:12

                  @89th said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                  If Trump had won the election he'd also have a pile of inflation at his feet

                  Really? I don't think so.

                  As Mik said, he wouldn't have approved the stimulus. The supply chain bottleneck would never have occurred. 13 servicemen would still be alive. Gas would still be around 2 bucks.

                  It would have been another year of "winning". Totally different than the last 10 months.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 23:13 last edited by Doctor Phibes 1 Dec 2022, 23:14
                  #11

                  @improviso said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                  @89th said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                  If Trump had won the election he'd also have a pile of inflation at his feet

                  Really? I don't think so.

                  As Mik said, he wouldn't have approved the stimulus. The supply chain bottleneck would never have occurred. 13 servicemen would still be alive. Gas would still be around 2 bucks.

                  Betty White would still be alive....Boris Johnson wouldn't have the stupidest haircut....

                  I was only joking

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                  • L LuFins Dad
                    12 Jan 2022, 23:12

                    @jolly said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                    @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                    You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

                    Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

                    That’s what I meant by devaluing the dollar devalues the debt.

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                    xenon
                    wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 23:18 last edited by
                    #12

                    @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                    @jolly said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                    @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                    You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

                    Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

                    That’s what I meant by devaluing the dollar devalues the debt.

                    I've said it before. I'm completely ok so far with inflation. I'm just throwing savings into assets that will hopefully keep appreciating. My income will hopefully keep up with inflation

                    And given where I am in life (big debt with low fixed rates - my mortgage)... inflation reduces my debt.

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                    • X xenon
                      12 Jan 2022, 23:18

                      @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                      @jolly said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                      @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                      You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

                      Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

                      That’s what I meant by devaluing the dollar devalues the debt.

                      I've said it before. I'm completely ok so far with inflation. I'm just throwing savings into assets that will hopefully keep appreciating. My income will hopefully keep up with inflation

                      And given where I am in life (big debt with low fixed rates - my mortgage)... inflation reduces my debt.

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 23:24 last edited by
                      #13

                      @xenon said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                      @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                      @jolly said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                      @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                      You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

                      Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

                      That’s what I meant by devaluing the dollar devalues the debt.

                      I've said it before. I'm completely ok so far with inflation. I'm just throwing savings into assets that will hopefully keep appreciating. My income will hopefully keep up with inflation

                      And given where I am in life (big debt with low fixed rates - my mortgage)... inflation reduces my debt.

                      That’s great…I’m probably 10-15 years closer to retirement than you, but I’ve got time to make some adjustments, too. Now, what about those guys 10 years closer to retirement than me? And more, what about those that are already retired? That’s not a small number of people.. And the benefits of inflation will not lead to any meaningful quality of life improvements for those that are in a position to shift their investment plans.

                      The Brad

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                      • L LuFins Dad
                        12 Jan 2022, 23:24

                        @xenon said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                        @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                        @jolly said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                        @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                        You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

                        Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

                        That’s what I meant by devaluing the dollar devalues the debt.

                        I've said it before. I'm completely ok so far with inflation. I'm just throwing savings into assets that will hopefully keep appreciating. My income will hopefully keep up with inflation

                        And given where I am in life (big debt with low fixed rates - my mortgage)... inflation reduces my debt.

                        That’s great…I’m probably 10-15 years closer to retirement than you, but I’ve got time to make some adjustments, too. Now, what about those guys 10 years closer to retirement than me? And more, what about those that are already retired? That’s not a small number of people.. And the benefits of inflation will not lead to any meaningful quality of life improvements for those that are in a position to shift their investment plans.

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                        xenon
                        wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 23:30 last edited by
                        #14

                        @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                        @xenon said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                        @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                        @jolly said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                        @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                        You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

                        Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

                        That’s what I meant by devaluing the dollar devalues the debt.

                        I've said it before. I'm completely ok so far with inflation. I'm just throwing savings into assets that will hopefully keep appreciating. My income will hopefully keep up with inflation

                        And given where I am in life (big debt with low fixed rates - my mortgage)... inflation reduces my debt.

                        That’s great…I’m probably 10-15 years closer to retirement than you, but I’ve got time to make some adjustments, too. Now, what about those guys 10 years closer to retirement than me? And more, what about those that are already retired? That’s not a small number of people.. And the benefits of inflation will not lead to any meaningful quality of life improvements for those that are in a position to shift their investment plans.

                        No, you're right - many will be hit hard. Rising costs without a rise in income is tough.

                        But I do think there has been a huge uptick in household debt (as % of income or GDP) since the last time there was a lot of inflation. (e.g., rising mortgage costs, student debt, credit card debt, etc.)

                        I'm curious how that will change the picture this time if inflation persists.

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                        • X xenon
                          12 Jan 2022, 23:30

                          @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                          @xenon said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                          @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                          @jolly said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                          @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                          You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

                          Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

                          That’s what I meant by devaluing the dollar devalues the debt.

                          I've said it before. I'm completely ok so far with inflation. I'm just throwing savings into assets that will hopefully keep appreciating. My income will hopefully keep up with inflation

                          And given where I am in life (big debt with low fixed rates - my mortgage)... inflation reduces my debt.

                          That’s great…I’m probably 10-15 years closer to retirement than you, but I’ve got time to make some adjustments, too. Now, what about those guys 10 years closer to retirement than me? And more, what about those that are already retired? That’s not a small number of people.. And the benefits of inflation will not lead to any meaningful quality of life improvements for those that are in a position to shift their investment plans.

                          No, you're right - many will be hit hard. Rising costs without a rise in income is tough.

                          But I do think there has been a huge uptick in household debt (as % of income or GDP) since the last time there was a lot of inflation. (e.g., rising mortgage costs, student debt, credit card debt, etc.)

                          I'm curious how that will change the picture this time if inflation persists.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 13 Jan 2022, 00:06 last edited by
                          #15

                          @xenon said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                          @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                          @xenon said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                          @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                          @jolly said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                          @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                          You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

                          Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

                          That’s what I meant by devaluing the dollar devalues the debt.

                          I've said it before. I'm completely ok so far with inflation. I'm just throwing savings into assets that will hopefully keep appreciating. My income will hopefully keep up with inflation

                          And given where I am in life (big debt with low fixed rates - my mortgage)... inflation reduces my debt.

                          That’s great…I’m probably 10-15 years closer to retirement than you, but I’ve got time to make some adjustments, too. Now, what about those guys 10 years closer to retirement than me? And more, what about those that are already retired? That’s not a small number of people.. And the benefits of inflation will not lead to any meaningful quality of life improvements for those that are in a position to shift their investment plans.

                          No, you're right - many will be hit hard. Rising costs without a rise in income is tough.

                          But I do think there has been a huge uptick in household debt (as % of income or GDP) since the last time there was a lot of inflation. (e.g., rising mortgage costs, student debt, credit card debt, etc.)

                          I'm curious how that will change the picture this time if inflation persists.

                          If I had any debt, I'd let you know. I'm more worried about a fixed income vs. inflation.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 13 Jan 2022, 00:07 last edited by
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                            You mean retired people like me? We're OK if it doesn't get too crazy. But we will also benefit from asset values rising.

                            Now, if your retirement plan is really tight it could get tough.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • J Jolly
                              13 Jan 2022, 00:06

                              @xenon said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              @xenon said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              @jolly said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

                              Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

                              That’s what I meant by devaluing the dollar devalues the debt.

                              I've said it before. I'm completely ok so far with inflation. I'm just throwing savings into assets that will hopefully keep appreciating. My income will hopefully keep up with inflation

                              And given where I am in life (big debt with low fixed rates - my mortgage)... inflation reduces my debt.

                              That’s great…I’m probably 10-15 years closer to retirement than you, but I’ve got time to make some adjustments, too. Now, what about those guys 10 years closer to retirement than me? And more, what about those that are already retired? That’s not a small number of people.. And the benefits of inflation will not lead to any meaningful quality of life improvements for those that are in a position to shift their investment plans.

                              No, you're right - many will be hit hard. Rising costs without a rise in income is tough.

                              But I do think there has been a huge uptick in household debt (as % of income or GDP) since the last time there was a lot of inflation. (e.g., rising mortgage costs, student debt, credit card debt, etc.)

                              I'm curious how that will change the picture this time if inflation persists.

                              If I had any debt, I'd let you know. I'm more worried about a fixed income vs. inflation.

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                              Mik
                              wrote on 13 Jan 2022, 00:08 last edited by
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                              @jolly said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              @xenon said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              @xenon said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              @jolly said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              @lufins-dad said in Biden blames everyone else for inflation:

                              You guys are acting like the inflation isn’t a goal of this administration, it absolutely is. Increasing gas prices helps promote the renewable energy plans they have. High inflation makes both the elderly and the poor more dependent on government largesse. Massively increasing wages allows the administration to point towards an accomplishment. And devaluing the dollar devalues the debt. The inflation isn’t just an accidental consequence of the pandemic, it’s an opportunity that they are fully embracing.

                              Don't forget...Inflation means the debt is technically less.

                              That’s what I meant by devaluing the dollar devalues the debt.

                              I've said it before. I'm completely ok so far with inflation. I'm just throwing savings into assets that will hopefully keep appreciating. My income will hopefully keep up with inflation

                              And given where I am in life (big debt with low fixed rates - my mortgage)... inflation reduces my debt.

                              That’s great…I’m probably 10-15 years closer to retirement than you, but I’ve got time to make some adjustments, too. Now, what about those guys 10 years closer to retirement than me? And more, what about those that are already retired? That’s not a small number of people.. And the benefits of inflation will not lead to any meaningful quality of life improvements for those that are in a position to shift their investment plans.

                              No, you're right - many will be hit hard. Rising costs without a rise in income is tough.

                              But I do think there has been a huge uptick in household debt (as % of income or GDP) since the last time there was a lot of inflation. (e.g., rising mortgage costs, student debt, credit card debt, etc.)

                              I'm curious how that will change the picture this time if inflation persists.

                              If I had any debt, I'd let you know. I'm more worried about a fixed income vs. inflation.

                              It tempts one to borrow against real estate if I wasn't so damn dead set against debt.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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