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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 01:58 last edited by
    #12

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 03:16 last edited by
      #13

      By the way, she is fully vaxxed and boosted.

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        89th
        wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 12:36 last edited by
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        Hahaha of COURSE she would test positive. What a great leader she is.

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          10 Jan 2022, 03:16

          By the way, she is fully vaxxed and boosted.

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          George K
          wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 12:38 last edited by
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          @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

          By the way, she is fully vaxxed and boosted.

          See my sig...

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            10 Jan 2022, 12:38

            @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

            By the way, she is fully vaxxed and boosted.

            See my sig...

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 12:58 last edited by
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            @george-k said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

            @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

            By the way, she is fully vaxxed and boosted.

            See my sig...

            Which is what makes these mandates and the court arguments ridiculous in my opinion. The vaccines are not containing or even slowing spread at this point.

            The Brad

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              George K
              wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 13:07 last edited by
              #17

              Curve, Flattened.

              FIa-sMHX0AIKLPx.jpeg

              On the y-axis, however.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 13:14 last edited by
                #18

                @george-k said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                Curve, Flattened.

                FIa-sMHX0AIKLPx.jpeg

                On the y-axis, however.

                Where are those numbers coming from? Everything I’ve seen had January 4th at 850K, not 2 million…

                The Brad

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                • L LuFins Dad
                  10 Jan 2022, 13:14

                  @george-k said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                  Curve, Flattened.

                  FIa-sMHX0AIKLPx.jpeg

                  On the y-axis, however.

                  Where are those numbers coming from? Everything I’ve seen had January 4th at 850K, not 2 million…

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                  George K
                  wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 13:24 last edited by
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                  @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                  Where are those numbers coming from?

                  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • G George K
                    10 Jan 2022, 13:24

                    @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                    Where are those numbers coming from?

                    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 13:49 last edited by
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                    @george-k said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                    @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                    Where are those numbers coming from?

                    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

                    Ahhh, international numbers…

                    The Brad

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                    • L LuFins Dad
                      10 Jan 2022, 12:58

                      @george-k said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                      @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                      By the way, she is fully vaxxed and boosted.

                      See my sig...

                      Which is what makes these mandates and the court arguments ridiculous in my opinion. The vaccines are not containing or even slowing spread at this point.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 13:51 last edited by Jolly 1 Oct 2022, 13:52
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                      @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                      @george-k said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                      @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                      By the way, she is fully vaxxed and boosted.

                      See my sig...

                      Which is what makes these mandates and the court arguments ridiculous in my opinion. The vaccines are not containing or even slowing spread at this point.

                      You, sir, are right.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • L LuFins Dad
                        10 Jan 2022, 12:58

                        @george-k said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                        @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                        By the way, she is fully vaxxed and boosted.

                        See my sig...

                        Which is what makes these mandates and the court arguments ridiculous in my opinion. The vaccines are not containing or even slowing spread at this point.

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                        Klaus
                        wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 13:59 last edited by
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                        @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                        The vaccines are not containing or even slowing spread at this point.

                        On what data do you base the assumption that the vaccines are not slowing the spread?

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                        • L LuFins Dad
                          10 Jan 2022, 12:58

                          @george-k said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                          @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                          By the way, she is fully vaxxed and boosted.

                          See my sig...

                          Which is what makes these mandates and the court arguments ridiculous in my opinion. The vaccines are not containing or even slowing spread at this point.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 13:59 last edited by George K 1 Oct 2022, 14:00
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                          @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                          Which is what makes these mandates and the court arguments ridiculous in my opinion.

                          The delicious irony in this is that she was in Florida vacationing, and about 2 weeks earlier she claimed it was too dangerous to go to work in the House of Representatives.

                          And, there's that video of her partying, maskless. Yeah, there's that.

                          And @jolly, I'm not convinced (still) that masks make a difference, but AOC presumably is, so, mask-up, Congresswoman!

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            10 Jan 2022, 13:59

                            @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                            The vaccines are not containing or even slowing spread at this point.

                            On what data do you base the assumption that the vaccines are not slowing the spread?

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                            George K
                            wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 14:01 last edited by
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                            @klaus said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                            On what data do you base the assumption that the vaccines are not slowing the spread?

                            (too lazy to look it up)

                            Vermont is the most highly-vaccinated state in the country, and also has one of the highest per-capita case counts.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • G George K
                              10 Jan 2022, 14:01

                              @klaus said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                              On what data do you base the assumption that the vaccines are not slowing the spread?

                              (too lazy to look it up)

                              Vermont is the most highly-vaccinated state in the country, and also has one of the highest per-capita case counts.

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                              Klaus
                              wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 14:06 last edited by Klaus 1 Oct 2022, 14:13
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                              @george-k said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                              @klaus said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                              On what data do you base the assumption that the vaccines are not slowing the spread?

                              (too lazy to look it up)

                              Vermont is the most highly-vaccinated state in the country, and also has one of the highest per-capita case counts.

                              That could be due to a number of different reasons. Hard to read much out of such a factoid.

                              IIRC, the more serious attempts to quantify transmissability of vaccinated vs non/vaccinated suggested that vaccination reduces transmissability by a factor of 10 or something. It's not even close to safely preventing spread, but it is still a significant reduction.

                              One thing that gets on my nerves in these discussions is that many people can't wrap their head around the fact that there is a thing between "the vaccine has no effect whatsoever" and "the vaccine prevents infection and transmission 100%".

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                              • K Klaus
                                10 Jan 2022, 13:59

                                @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                                The vaccines are not containing or even slowing spread at this point.

                                On what data do you base the assumption that the vaccines are not slowing the spread?

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 16:49 last edited by
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                                @klaus said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                                @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                                The vaccines are not containing or even slowing spread at this point.

                                On what data do you base the assumption that the vaccines are not slowing the spread?

                                It's already established that being "fully vaxxed" does not develop the antibodies needed to fight Omicron. I could have had my second dose 3 weeks ago and I would be fully exposed against Omicron.

                                So being vaccinated by itself does not stop spread. Now, boosters supposedly do, but 1) Boosters are not in the mandates being discussed 2) their effect fades quickly (10 weeks, then it drops fast) and 3) having 10 times the antibodies does not equal 10 times the protection because Omicron can evade these antibodies as well.

                                Now, let's talk practical applications. I personally know around 2 dozen people that have tested positive with COVID over the last 3 weeks. At least 75% of them are vaxxed AND boosted. Anecdotal? Sure is. Do I trust my own lying eyes? Sure do.

                                The Brad

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                                  10 Jan 2022, 16:49

                                  @klaus said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                                  @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                                  The vaccines are not containing or even slowing spread at this point.

                                  On what data do you base the assumption that the vaccines are not slowing the spread?

                                  It's already established that being "fully vaxxed" does not develop the antibodies needed to fight Omicron. I could have had my second dose 3 weeks ago and I would be fully exposed against Omicron.

                                  So being vaccinated by itself does not stop spread. Now, boosters supposedly do, but 1) Boosters are not in the mandates being discussed 2) their effect fades quickly (10 weeks, then it drops fast) and 3) having 10 times the antibodies does not equal 10 times the protection because Omicron can evade these antibodies as well.

                                  Now, let's talk practical applications. I personally know around 2 dozen people that have tested positive with COVID over the last 3 weeks. At least 75% of them are vaxxed AND boosted. Anecdotal? Sure is. Do I trust my own lying eyes? Sure do.

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                                  Klaus
                                  wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 16:56 last edited by
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                                  @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                                  It's already established that being "fully vaxxed" does not develop the antibodies needed to fight Omicron

                                  Has it?

                                  I'm very much against the dubious miracle claims about the efficacy of vaccines, but from what I understand, the available data suggest that the vaccines do very significantly reduce the risk for severe complications, including for Omicron, and do still reduce infections and transmission.

                                  "Prevent", "stop", "work" etc. - these are the wrong words to discuss the vaccines. You need words that refer to a degree. Once we agree on that, we can discuss the degree and at what degrees the vaccines are useful or not.

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                                  • K Klaus
                                    10 Jan 2022, 16:56

                                    @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                                    It's already established that being "fully vaxxed" does not develop the antibodies needed to fight Omicron

                                    Has it?

                                    I'm very much against the dubious miracle claims about the efficacy of vaccines, but from what I understand, the available data suggest that the vaccines do very significantly reduce the risk for severe complications, including for Omicron, and do still reduce infections and transmission.

                                    "Prevent", "stop", "work" etc. - these are the wrong words to discuss the vaccines. You need words that refer to a degree. Once we agree on that, we can discuss the degree and at what degrees the vaccines are useful or not.

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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on 10 Jan 2022, 17:17 last edited by
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                                    @klaus said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                                    @lufins-dad said in Hay Cats! Your AOC post of the day!:

                                    It's already established that being "fully vaxxed" does not develop the antibodies needed to fight Omicron

                                    Has it?

                                    I'm very much against the dubious miracle claims about the efficacy of vaccines, but from what I understand, the available data suggest that the vaccines do very significantly reduce the risk for severe complications, including for Omicron, and do still reduce infections and transmission.

                                    "Prevent", "stop", "work" etc. - these are the wrong words to discuss the vaccines. You need words that refer to a degree. Once we agree on that, we can discuss the degree and at what degrees the vaccines are useful or not.

                                    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

                                    The Brad

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