Shoplifting is OK
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@jolly said in Shoplifting is OK:
Think I read where 40% of the city's citizens want to leave...
And it's not some RWEC polling site, it's the San Francisco Chamber of Commerce:
As San Francisco tries to bounce back from the devastating impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, crime and homelessness now rank among the highest levels of concerns among local residents, many who are contemplating relocating, according to a new poll.
The poll was released by the SF Chamber of Commerce and based on feedback from more than 500 San Francisco residents who are registered to vote.
It found that more than 40 percent say they plan to move out of the city in the next few years.
Lindsay Stevens just finished moving out over the weekend.
“There’s nothing worse than seeing such a beautiful place in such disarray, and I really thought I was going to be sad when the movers loaded up the last container on Saturday, and I have never been more relieved,” said Stevens.
After more than 12 years in San Francisco, Stevens recently sold her place and moved to the Palm Springs area.
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I was in San Francisco a few weeks ago. Lots of homeless downtown but other neighborhoods didn’t seem that bad. I was expecting it to be worse than LA, and though my recent experiences with both cities was far from thorough, it didn’t seem to be. At least the nice neighborhoods still seemed nice.
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I was in San Francisco a few weeks ago. Lots of homeless downtown but other neighborhoods didn’t seem that bad. I was expecting it to be worse than LA, and though my recent experiences with both cities was far from thorough, it didn’t seem to be. At least the nice neighborhoods still seemed nice.
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Long ago, it was understood that this kind of thing undermines a civilized society. People like order whether it is communist China or a suburb in Maryland. Reasoned arguments against such behavior don't typically work as effectively as a more direct intervention and adverse consequences.
@kluurs said in Shoplifting is OK:
Long ago, it was understood that this kind of thing undermines a civilized society. People like order whether it is communist China or a suburb in Maryland. Reasoned arguments against such behavior don't typically work as effectively as a more direct intervention and adverse consequences.
Order is the bedrock of civilization.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@kluurs said in Shoplifting is OK:
Long ago, it was understood that this kind of thing undermines a civilized society. People like order whether it is communist China or a suburb in Maryland. Reasoned arguments against such behavior don't typically work as effectively as a more direct intervention and adverse consequences.
Order is the bedrock of civilization.
@mik said in Shoplifting is OK:
@kluurs said in Shoplifting is OK:
Long ago, it was understood that this kind of thing undermines a civilized society. People like order whether it is communist China or a suburb in Maryland. Reasoned arguments against such behavior don't typically work as effectively as a more direct intervention and adverse consequences.
Order is the bedrock of civilization.
Anybody invested in the social justice narrative and the righteousness of riots and neighborhood takeovers would disagree. Which is to say, any of the millions and millions of mainstream progressives would disagree.
Not that they would stick to that priority if disorder ever hit them in their own white upper class neighborhoods... but it mostly hasn't yet. They still proudly espouse a belief system that is free of any personal sacrifice.
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@kluurs said in Shoplifting is OK:
Long ago, it was understood that this kind of thing undermines a civilized society. People like order whether it is communist China or a suburb in Maryland. Reasoned arguments against such behavior don't typically work as effectively as a more direct intervention and adverse consequences.
Order is the bedrock of civilization.
@mik said in Shoplifting is OK:
@kluurs said in Shoplifting is OK:
Long ago, it was understood that this kind of thing undermines a civilized society. People like order whether it is communist China or a suburb in Maryland. Reasoned arguments against such behavior don't typically work as effectively as a more direct intervention and adverse consequences.
Order is the bedrock of civilization.
Order is a bedrock of white civilization… China is white adjacent.
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I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
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I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
That's right.
And in San Francisco, taking less than $950 is a misdemeanor, which will probably never see the inside of a courtroom. In Chicago, it's $1000.
Assuming a cop arrests you, of course.
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I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
Stop them how? You say that like there's an ultimate authority of stoppage. You'd be right, in a society where the police were allowed to do their jobs. That is not the society those crimes are taking place in.
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@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
Stop them how? You say that like there's an ultimate authority of stoppage. You'd be right, in a society where the police were allowed to do their jobs. That is not the society those crimes are taking place in.
@horace said in Shoplifting is OK:
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
Stop them how? You say that like there's an ultimate authority of stoppage. You'd be right, in a society where the police were allowed to do their jobs. That is not the society those crimes are taking place in.
Over here, a security service or store detective can do much less than what the police can do (for instance, they are not allowed to search a person), but they can use "appropriate" force to stop a thief from leaving before the police arrives.
Is that different in all of the US? Or just in California? Or just these cities?
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@horace said in Shoplifting is OK:
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
Stop them how? You say that like there's an ultimate authority of stoppage. You'd be right, in a society where the police were allowed to do their jobs. That is not the society those crimes are taking place in.
Over here, a security service or store detective can do much less than what the police can do (for instance, they are not allowed to search a person), but they can use "appropriate" force to stop a thief from leaving before the police arrives.
Is that different in all of the US? Or just in California? Or just these cities?
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
@horace said in Shoplifting is OK:
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
Stop them how? You say that like there's an ultimate authority of stoppage. You'd be right, in a society where the police were allowed to do their jobs. That is not the society those crimes are taking place in.
Over here, a security service or store detective can do much less than what the police can do (for instance, they are not allowed to search a person), but they can use "appropriate" force to stop a thief from leaving before the police arrives.
Is that different in all of the US? Or just in California? Or just these cities?
Just remember, when America coughs the world catches a cold. It could also be said that when California coughs, America catches a cold.
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I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
To what end? To further enrich the retail store that achieved record profits last year and who have consistently and systemically marginalized so many BIBOC individuals by using racist tools such as “prices” to limit access to goods and services? If that’s not malignant and systemic racism, then I don’t know what is. The store didn’t make those goods and has no right to limit access of those goods to BIBOC. And the idea of using force to stop this individual? Just the idea is violence. Why are you so violent, @Klaus ?
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@mik said in Shoplifting is OK:
Would you risk life and limb for $15 an hour?
I did far worse things for $15 an hour. Horace said back then that his $15 were well spent, but he can't possibly be proud of what we did.
