Interesting Twitter Account.
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wrote on 22 Dec 2021, 00:05 last edited by
We shouldn't post things like this
Because it will change everyone's mind about vaccination
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@doctor-phibes said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
How many people have died of Covid compared?
Seriously, Jolly, I don’t understand why you keep posting links to all this stuff
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely. Also, the CDC numbers are in abysmal shape. You would think one of the premier number-crunching bureaucracies on the planet would have some of the best statistics.
VAERS is overblown, but I think if we ever do get some true numbers, especially for 30 and under crowd, I think surprises await...As in vaccine side effects vs. COVID mortality or long term COVID effects.
wrote on 22 Dec 2021, 03:50 last edited by@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too? -
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?wrote on 22 Dec 2021, 07:51 last edited by@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?You do know about Pfizer, don't you?
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How many people have died of Covid compared?
Seriously, Jolly, I don’t understand why you keep posting links to all this stuff
wrote on 22 Dec 2021, 09:35 last edited by jon-nyc@doctor-phibes said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Seriously, Jolly, I don’t understand why you keep posting links to all this stuff
The daily dumbeat of fringe right wing media. Even people in the medical fields succumb over time.
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wrote on 22 Dec 2021, 11:38 last edited by
Which is no better than the fools that think the NYT is an honest paper.
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@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?wrote on 22 Dec 2021, 16:44 last edited by@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?It's not a matter of trust
It is a matter of their interests
Like it or not, they are in it for the money, which is great.
But it eliminates trust when it comes to profits
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@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?You do know about Pfizer, don't you?
wrote on 22 Dec 2021, 16:57 last edited by@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?You do know about Pfizer, don't you?
Please, share your reasons for distrusting Pfizer.
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@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?You do know about Pfizer, don't you?
Please, share your reasons for distrusting Pfizer.
wrote on 22 Dec 2021, 17:58 last edited by@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?You do know about Pfizer, don't you?
Please, share your reasons for distrusting Pfizer.
The "please" was a nice touch. If we say "please", will you start answering questions put to you?
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@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?You do know about Pfizer, don't you?
Please, share your reasons for distrusting Pfizer.
wrote on 22 Dec 2021, 21:18 last edited by@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?You do know about Pfizer, don't you?
Please, share your reasons for distrusting Pfizer.
Illegal activity
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@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?You do know about Pfizer, don't you?
Please, share your reasons for distrusting Pfizer.
Illegal activity
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wrote on 22 Dec 2021, 22:44 last edited by
How about we start with the British Journal of Medicine’s recent story… https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635
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wrote on 22 Dec 2021, 22:47 last edited by
There was also the whole testing drugs on Nigerian Kids thing back in 2007 I believe? Numerous allegations of fraudulent data from clinical trials in the past doesn’t help…
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There was also the whole testing drugs on Nigerian Kids thing back in 2007 I believe? Numerous allegations of fraudulent data from clinical trials in the past doesn’t help…
wrote on 23 Dec 2021, 00:32 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
There was also the whole testing drugs on Nigerian Kids thing back in 2007 I believe? Numerous allegations of fraudulent data from clinical trials in the past doesn’t help…
The problem with this particular conspiracy theory is that Pfizer isn't a black box. COVID is the medical discussion of the world right now. Doctors, scientists, statisticians, etc., etc. are studying everything involving the virus, including one of the most widely-distributed vaccines.
If you'd like to claim that Pfizer is shady AF, that's fine but it's nowhere near enough to debunk the effectiveness of their vaccines. Be prepared to have to make qui bono accusations against every independent researcher on the planet for any "they're hiding the numbers" claims to be taken seriously.
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wrote on 23 Dec 2021, 01:14 last edited by
$2,300,000,000.00
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@lufins-dad said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
There was also the whole testing drugs on Nigerian Kids thing back in 2007 I believe? Numerous allegations of fraudulent data from clinical trials in the past doesn’t help…
The problem with this particular conspiracy theory is that Pfizer isn't a black box. COVID is the medical discussion of the world right now. Doctors, scientists, statisticians, etc., etc. are studying everything involving the virus, including one of the most widely-distributed vaccines.
If you'd like to claim that Pfizer is shady AF, that's fine but it's nowhere near enough to debunk the effectiveness of their vaccines. Be prepared to have to make qui bono accusations against every independent researcher on the planet for any "they're hiding the numbers" claims to be taken seriously.
wrote on 23 Dec 2021, 01:31 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@lufins-dad said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
There was also the whole testing drugs on Nigerian Kids thing back in 2007 I believe? Numerous allegations of fraudulent data from clinical trials in the past doesn’t help…
The problem with this particular conspiracy theory is that Pfizer isn't a black box. COVID is the medical discussion of the world right now. Doctors, scientists, statisticians, etc., etc. are studying everything involving the virus, including one of the most widely-distributed vaccines.
From the link…
In her 25 September email to the FDA Jackson wrote that Ventavia had enrolled more than 1000 participants at three sites. The full trial (registered under NCT04368728) enrolled around 44 000 participants across 153 sites that included numerous commercial companies and academic centres. She then listed a dozen concerns she had witnessed, including:
Participants placed in a hallway after injection and not being monitored by clinical staff
Lack of timely follow-up of patients who experienced adverse events
Protocol deviations not being reported
Vaccines not being stored at proper temperatures
Mislabelled laboratory specimens, and
Targeting of Ventavia staff for reporting these types of problems.
Within hours Jackson received an email from the FDA thanking her for her concerns and notifying her that the FDA could not comment on any investigation that might result. A few days later Jackson received a call from an FDA inspector to discuss her report but was told that no further information could be provided. She heard nothing further in relation to her report.In Pfizer’s briefing document submitted to an FDA advisory committee meeting held on 10 December 2020 to discuss Pfizer’s application for emergency use authorisation of its covid-19 vaccine, the company made no mention of problems at the Ventavia site. The next day the FDA issued the authorisation of the vaccine.8
In August this year, after the full approval of Pfizer’s vaccine, the FDA published a summary of its inspections of the company’s pivotal trial. Nine of the trial’s 153 sites were inspected. Ventavia’s sites were not listed among the nine, and no inspections of sites where adults were recruited took place in the eight months after the December 2020 emergency authorisation. The FDA’s inspection officer noted: “The data integrity and verification portion of the BIMO [bioresearch monitoring] inspections were limited because the study was ongoing, and the data required for verification and comparison were not yet available to the IND [investigational new drug].”
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@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?You do know about Pfizer, don't you?
Please, share your reasons for distrusting Pfizer.
Illegal activity
wrote on 23 Dec 2021, 01:58 last edited by@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@axtremus said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Because I distrust Pfizer immensely.
Based on what?
You distrust only Pfizer, or also Moderna and Johnson & Johnson too?You do know about Pfizer, don't you?
Please, share your reasons for distrusting Pfizer.
Illegal activity
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@aqua-letifer said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
@lufins-dad said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
There was also the whole testing drugs on Nigerian Kids thing back in 2007 I believe? Numerous allegations of fraudulent data from clinical trials in the past doesn’t help…
The problem with this particular conspiracy theory is that Pfizer isn't a black box. COVID is the medical discussion of the world right now. Doctors, scientists, statisticians, etc., etc. are studying everything involving the virus, including one of the most widely-distributed vaccines.
From the link…
In her 25 September email to the FDA Jackson wrote that Ventavia had enrolled more than 1000 participants at three sites. The full trial (registered under NCT04368728) enrolled around 44 000 participants across 153 sites that included numerous commercial companies and academic centres. She then listed a dozen concerns she had witnessed, including:
Participants placed in a hallway after injection and not being monitored by clinical staff
Lack of timely follow-up of patients who experienced adverse events
Protocol deviations not being reported
Vaccines not being stored at proper temperatures
Mislabelled laboratory specimens, and
Targeting of Ventavia staff for reporting these types of problems.
Within hours Jackson received an email from the FDA thanking her for her concerns and notifying her that the FDA could not comment on any investigation that might result. A few days later Jackson received a call from an FDA inspector to discuss her report but was told that no further information could be provided. She heard nothing further in relation to her report.In Pfizer’s briefing document submitted to an FDA advisory committee meeting held on 10 December 2020 to discuss Pfizer’s application for emergency use authorisation of its covid-19 vaccine, the company made no mention of problems at the Ventavia site. The next day the FDA issued the authorisation of the vaccine.8
In August this year, after the full approval of Pfizer’s vaccine, the FDA published a summary of its inspections of the company’s pivotal trial. Nine of the trial’s 153 sites were inspected. Ventavia’s sites were not listed among the nine, and no inspections of sites where adults were recruited took place in the eight months after the December 2020 emergency authorisation. The FDA’s inspection officer noted: “The data integrity and verification portion of the BIMO [bioresearch monitoring] inspections were limited because the study was ongoing, and the data required for verification and comparison were not yet available to the IND [investigational new drug].”
wrote on 23 Dec 2021, 05:49 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
In Pfizer’s briefing document submitted to an FDA advisory committee meeting held on 10 December 2020 to discuss Pfizer’s application for emergency use authorisation of its covid-19 vaccine, the company made no mention of problems at the Ventavia site. The next day the FDA issued the authorisation of the vaccine.8
In August this year, after the full approval of Pfizer’s vaccine, the FDA published a summary of its inspections of the company’s pivotal trial. Nine of the trial’s 153 sites were inspected. Ventavia’s sites were not listed among the nine, and no inspections of sites where adults were recruited took place in the eight months after the December 2020 emergency authorisation. The FDA’s inspection officer noted: “The data integrity and verification portion of the BIMO [bioresearch monitoring] inspections were limited because the study was ongoing, and the data required for verification and comparison were not yet available to the IND [investigational new drug].”Yes.
My point is, if there's a problem with the vaccines, it will be made public.
As for the rest, yes, I for one am extremely surprised that in light of an immediate need for the most sought-after product in the entire world, some recordkeeping corners were cut.
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wrote on 23 Dec 2021, 05:53 last edited by
Cutting corners is one thing. I want to know if certain data subsets were suppressed.
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wrote on 23 Dec 2021, 05:58 last edited by
@jolly said in Interesting Twitter Account.:
Cutting corners is one thing. I want to know if certain data subsets were suppressed.
There is absolutely no way that kind of information will be kept from the entire world in perpetuity.